To never sing "God save the king"

[boombang]

To be fair, I was never going to - I am a republican, and I did respect the late queen, so used to sing "God save the Queen". She came from a long gone era, and she fought in the war.

I have always thought the monarchy should end with her, I have always thought it was a horrible system, grossly unfair to those caught up in it, and very very annoying - I do understand the point about the prime minister using the monarchs authority though, and understand it would be hard to dismantle - not least because it would mean whatever prime minister of the day volunteering to have all that automatic power taken out of his/her hands.

But the events of the last two days have changed my mind, it is beyond annoying, it is an insidious evil

The media outright calling cancer victims "lesser mortals" - the description of someone putting on pretty clothes and waving as "the bravest woman in Britain" and the huge distress caused to thousands of normal people through this.

We shouldn't have a monarchy. We shouldn't have this system where someone is seen as a better, braver, more important person because they are part of the monarchy, and other people being publicly and firmly denigrated, because whatever their situation, however they are feeling, whatever their abilities and whatever their achievements, they are not good enough,

why? no reason, other than not being royal

Kate and Charles, if you read this, I have nothing but good wishes for you. Apart from obviously you are in the best possible position to access treatment and survive cancer, I feel sorry for you - I wouldn't want your lives.

But I have really for the first time taken on board how inherently damaging this system of having a royal family really is

Is that the only choice? King or Keir Starmer?

If he were PM and the UK became a Republic, it wouldn't be the PM who was head of state...

Aye, can’t imagine looking up to a random family who are meant to be ‘better’ than us for absolutely no reason. Surely now that most people don’t actually believe they were chosen by god to rule over us plebs, the notion of monarchy should be seen as the total nonsense it is!

When exactly will you be called upon to sing the anthem, so that you can make a point by refusing to? I would happily sing it as I don't believe in God anyway.

Like the USA with its AAA rating?
Also - many royal regimes in the past have been dictatorships. Democracies, less so.

I'm mid 60s and have never sung it. And never will.

This argument is nuts. You’re aware that if Starmer had been Liz and Phil’s first born he would now be king? You could end up with anyone. Johnson. Farage. It’s luck we don’t have Andrew.
I’d prefer someone elected as my head of state, someone who could be removed again if the public didn’t like the way they did the job.

I’d never sing it and never have because why should God save the King over and above anyone else?

Pretty damn sure neither the King, Kate or the late Queen consider themselves better than anyone else or that non royals are lesser mortals, if anyone has ever said that, which is doubtful, then it’s the press or rabid republicans who can’t for the life of them explain how they would be better off electing an idiot like Trump for example as head of state every few years

Yanbu not to sing it. Yabu to extrapolate an article by the dreadful Allison Pearson as being a sentiment held by a lot of other people. Plenty of people are monarchists or not bothered either way whether or not we have a monarchy, but absolutely don’t believe that the royals are some better subspecies of human. They were born into it or married into it, that brings with it certain roles, that’s it.

I’ve had to make the choice several times for work at events. I stand but don’t sing. And part of the reason is that I don’t believe in God, though mainly it’s because I’m not prepared to sing about loving being subservient. (I’m very I consistent with the God thing though as I sing in a choir and have no issue with ecclesiastical music…)

Is the US still triple A?

I think so. We aren’t though are we?

She came from a long gone era, and she fought in the war.

Did she aye?

I'm sure she had many an "Uncle Albert" moment on a Royal Visit.

During the war......

well, cancer patients won't be told in the national media that they are "lesser mortals" and not brave enough - that illustrates a seriously nasty attitude that we would all be better off without

I don't think Alison Pearson needs the royals to exist in order for her to be deeply unpleasant.

I actually agree with you in terms of wanting rid of the monarchy. I don't think it would change any nasty attitudes individuals hold though. Pearson would have just written something else unpleasant.

No, it isnt AAA rated.
The USA and UK are both AA.

The media outright calling cancer victims "lesser mortals" - the description of someone putting on pretty clothes and waving as "the bravest woman in Britain" and the huge distress caused to thousands of normal people through this.

Who called cancer patients (not victims, BTW) "lesser mortals"?

Is this a tabloid thing?

I don’t like it when sports teams who represent England use it as their national anthem, thus promoting the idea of the interchangeability of England and the UK. They should have their own anthem.

Just because Allison Pearson wrote the article and phrase you are so incensed by why don't you take it up with her by writing to the paper that printed her article?

Why are you directing your ire at people who are in no way responsible for the drivel written about them?

I suppose this is all part of a Republican Party media push back following the huge success of the Trooping of the Colours.

See my answer above. ONE journalist used that hackneyed phrase 🙄

Ok. So their credit rating is the same as ours but they have somehow managed it with no royal family to stabilise them.
Edit: and several countries with no monarchy, including Switzerland and Germany, have AAA.

Both.

YANBU because you're a republican, so being anti-monarch is reasonable.
YABU because the country is a constitutional monarch, so being a republican isn't compatible.

I'm no fan of the sausage-fingered WEF puppet myself, but I do fully respect the rank he currently occupies. So in my opinion, God save the King!

You are not being unreasonable for deciding that you don't want to sing the national anthem of the country that you (presumably) call home. Your prerogative, your choice.

I do wonder why people feel the need to make a fuss about not singing however. Just make your choice and don't sing.

The majority of countries occupying the top ratings are countries with monarchies.
https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/rating

Yes, there are exceptions to every rule as you have so diligently set out to find, but Mumsnet doesn't actually serve to overrule or render untrue the fact that monarchies positively affect the economy and credit ratings of the countries who have them.
This may go some way to explain why the tiny old UK might have an equal credit rating to the mighty US of A.

Because they are considered to be a net contributer to the UK economy. Even if that's is indirectly through tourism.