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To wonder if addiction is a choice

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BarbaraAnnee · 17/06/2024 11:53

I am sorry if this sounds insensitive to some people but I just wondered what people thought of this. A relative of mine is an alcoholic and due to her being unfit, her parents have had to permanently look after her DD. I feel so bad for her and just wondered if she really loved her DD she would just stop drinking?

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KarenOH · 18/06/2024 15:26

BarbaraAnnee · 18/06/2024 15:15

There are phone lines link frank who can signpost, Samaritans, Crisis lines, drug helplines.

You seem to be conflating two different issues here.

Addiction is a CHRONIC BRAIN DISEASE.

People do not CHOOSE to become addicts.

Addiction makes you engage in behaviors that become compulsive despite the harmful consequences.

You are being so willfully black and white about it. By your logic, no one should ever have any sort of addiction or mental or physical ailment because 'well, there is help out there.'

The second issue that you are being so embarassingly thick about is how easy it s to access treatment.

My brother is an alcoholic. When you drink that extent, it physically makes changes in your brain. He ended up in hospital, and was told 'If you stop drinking, you die. You must continue to drink two litres of vodka a day, or you will die. You must seek help for medical withdrawal. We cannot help with that. Bye.'

Medical withdrawal assistance and rehab costs at least £12K.

Janiie · 18/06/2024 15:26

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Why pray tell am I ignorant?

The animation shows a character repeatedly accessing something that makes it feel good that very quickly stops making them feel good. It isn't a newsflash is it that that happens?

Don't you agree it would have been more helpful if it had infact included a bit at the end that the character stopped accessing the golden nugget and felt good all by itself? Or is that a bit too obvious and doesn't play into the disease/can't help it narrative?

JudgeJ · 18/06/2024 15:28

FatmanandKnobbin · 17/06/2024 11:55

It's not a choice, nobody would choose to be addicted to anything.

But they chose to start. Nothing's ever anyone's fault now we can hang a label on it.

BarbaraAnnee · 18/06/2024 15:28

KarenOH · 18/06/2024 15:26

You seem to be conflating two different issues here.

Addiction is a CHRONIC BRAIN DISEASE.

People do not CHOOSE to become addicts.

Addiction makes you engage in behaviors that become compulsive despite the harmful consequences.

You are being so willfully black and white about it. By your logic, no one should ever have any sort of addiction or mental or physical ailment because 'well, there is help out there.'

The second issue that you are being so embarassingly thick about is how easy it s to access treatment.

My brother is an alcoholic. When you drink that extent, it physically makes changes in your brain. He ended up in hospital, and was told 'If you stop drinking, you die. You must continue to drink two litres of vodka a day, or you will die. You must seek help for medical withdrawal. We cannot help with that. Bye.'

Medical withdrawal assistance and rehab costs at least £12K.

No, addiction is not a chronic brain disease. I think the more people believe that, the more they will justify their addictions. Mental health is an illness and there is help out there but as I keep saying, it does not come to you, you have to push for it.

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Janiie · 18/06/2024 15:30

'When you drink that extent, it physically makes changes in your brain. He ended up in hospital, and was told 'If you stop drinking, you die. You must continue to drink two litres of vodka a day, or you will die. You must seek help for medical withdrawal. We cannot help with that. Bye'

With respect, nonsense. No hcp would ever advise you/your brother to carry swigging 2L vodka a day or you /he would die. It's typical enabling talk. That amount would kill anyone eventually.

The person would need to reduce slowly obviously with support which is available.

BarbaraAnnee · 18/06/2024 15:30

KarenOH · 18/06/2024 15:26

You seem to be conflating two different issues here.

Addiction is a CHRONIC BRAIN DISEASE.

People do not CHOOSE to become addicts.

Addiction makes you engage in behaviors that become compulsive despite the harmful consequences.

You are being so willfully black and white about it. By your logic, no one should ever have any sort of addiction or mental or physical ailment because 'well, there is help out there.'

The second issue that you are being so embarassingly thick about is how easy it s to access treatment.

My brother is an alcoholic. When you drink that extent, it physically makes changes in your brain. He ended up in hospital, and was told 'If you stop drinking, you die. You must continue to drink two litres of vodka a day, or you will die. You must seek help for medical withdrawal. We cannot help with that. Bye.'

Medical withdrawal assistance and rehab costs at least £12K.

Also, people know what they are doing is wrong, when it gets a to a point when they need a drink more and more, it is time to address it.

Say for instance, I was drinking a bottle of wine per night and it was creeping up over a few weeks/months. I would try to stop/cut down myself, failing that I would seek help before I got to the point where I needed 2 litres of vodka to survive,

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BarbaraAnnee · 18/06/2024 15:31

It changes they reward system in the brain, like anything, that is when you start to address it, not spiral.

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KarenOH · 18/06/2024 15:32

BarbaraAnnee · 18/06/2024 15:30

Also, people know what they are doing is wrong, when it gets a to a point when they need a drink more and more, it is time to address it.

Say for instance, I was drinking a bottle of wine per night and it was creeping up over a few weeks/months. I would try to stop/cut down myself, failing that I would seek help before I got to the point where I needed 2 litres of vodka to survive,

OMG AMAZING! CANT BELIEVE YOU JUST CURED ADDICTION!

Give it up for Barbara everyone!

You better call the World Health Organisation so they know that people just need to you know...not to it.

KarenOH · 18/06/2024 15:32

BarbaraAnnee · 18/06/2024 15:31

It changes they reward system in the brain, like anything, that is when you start to address it, not spiral.

You need to click the links to read them.

lovelysunshine22 · 18/06/2024 15:34

I would say that its a mental health issue to begin with but I don't agree that its 100% illness! I was addicted to a substance for nearly 8 years and mental health issues caused by trauma are what caused me to become addicted in the first place! However it was my choice whether i just carried on with the addiction or got clean and sorted my life out! I have been clean for years now and have no respect for those that choose to remain addicted over their children, families etc! They are not helpless in the outcome unlike a real illness such as cancer, they can change things if they choose to!!!

BarbaraAnnee · 18/06/2024 15:34

KarenOH · 18/06/2024 15:32

OMG AMAZING! CANT BELIEVE YOU JUST CURED ADDICTION!

Give it up for Barbara everyone!

You better call the World Health Organisation so they know that people just need to you know...not to it.

No worries KAREN

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Oh so you're saying people should claim DLA because they smoke too much crack/drink too much vodka? imagine what the world would look like then!

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But there are steps way before it takes everything.....

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Janiie · 18/06/2024 15:41

'This impairment in self-control is the hallmark of addiction.'

From one of the links. No shit Sherlock.

BarbaraAnnee · 18/06/2024 15:41

Out of curiosity, what would you say the hardest addiction to overcome is?

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BarbaraAnnee · 18/06/2024 15:08

You are missing the point. I love a drink etc but I know my life would be ruined if I did it all the time.

Was I addicted to those pain pills all those years ago because I just stopped? not because I had to, I could have carried on, I made a choice not to, what you think?

Did you suffer from chills and sweating, stomach cramps, diarrhoea, vomiting, palpitations? Were you climbing the walls? If not, then no, you probably weren’t addicted.

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LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 18/06/2024 15:42

Firefly1987 · 18/06/2024 06:20

Of course it's an illness! And every time he gambled he probably thought he was going to win all the money back for his family. Obviously that was not going to happen, but that was probably his thought process. You smoked for 20 years, are your family going to have to watch you get smoking related illnesses because you were too selfish to quit for TWENTY years. How is it different?!

I had no dependents, he had four small children. He stole money from the family, my Mum never really recovered. You have no idea what was going on in his arrogant head so stop. Just stop it.

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Janiie · 18/06/2024 15:43

Anonym00se · 18/06/2024 15:41

Did you suffer from chills and sweating, stomach cramps, diarrhoea, vomiting, palpitations? Were you climbing the walls? If not, then no, you probably weren’t addicted.

What people suffer that from their first vodka? No, they don't, they choose to carry on and on and on and swig more and more .

BarbaraAnnee · 18/06/2024 15:45

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Because it isnt a disability, it is a lifestyle choice that people refuse to get help for. There are so many steps from taking a substance to addiction, help can be provided way before somebody's life is ruined? Surely you can see that. I also dont think people like to admit that their parents were neglectful as understandably you love them and want to see the best in them.

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KarenOH · 18/06/2024 15:46

BarbaraAnnee · 18/06/2024 15:45

Because it isnt a disability, it is a lifestyle choice that people refuse to get help for. There are so many steps from taking a substance to addiction, help can be provided way before somebody's life is ruined? Surely you can see that. I also dont think people like to admit that their parents were neglectful as understandably you love them and want to see the best in them.

Addiction is not a lifestyle choice.

Lifestyle choices can result in addiction for a myriad of reasons.