IT’S NOT A TAX BREAK! Education settings are exempt!

[LaceyLou82]

Fed up of Labour calling the VAT on fees a tax break! Ideologically this is so very unsound, we are talking about providing an education here.

Education is not taxed for a reason, in this country it should be a fundamental right.

As a nation vs the global competition we have this is totally a backwards step.

He could put 10p on income tax and raise billions!!! Foolish policy.

Such a misconception about Private School parents. This is an unfair policy.

Here we go again

I mean you're correct that it's a fundamental right to have an education but if you're that bothered, send your child to state school - you'd save yourself a lot of money then.

how many discussions are needed before people realise the vast majority of people really don't care!

And so it goes on......

Education is a fundamental right in this country.

Private education is not.

but you are not in a private school for the education, which is fundamentally the same as the education in a state school. You are in private school for the facilities, the environment, the connections, the space! and other luxuries

"Fed up of Labour calling the VAT on fees a tax break!"

It is a tax break. It is one that currently applies to all of Education

It's OK to think that tax break shouldn't apply to all education in all circumstances.

It's also OK to think that tax break should continue to apply to all education.

It's not OK to pretend it's not a tax break.

The vast majority of people are in favour of the tax. It’s a vote winner!
I agree however that it makes no economic sense at all.

I actually don’t think the education IS the same. Or rather there’s a huge disparity in education between different state schools, but the gap between different private schools is far less marked.

10p on income tax...so go from 20% to 30% ? Or 40% to 50%? That would cost you a lot more than vat on private school fees.. unless you don't pay income tax

And private schools drain the very scarce resource of qualified teachers, and if the private schools closed state state schools would take the 6% of students they currently house, but that would be alongside the 12% of teachers

I don’t know anyone who even THINKS about so called “connections”.
Most people are “ordinary “… not titled or in positions of great influence 🤣

It’s also the affects of the policy on wider society. Namely, the negative impact on state school numbers and budgets, numbers of SEND children who could be returning to state provision and needing support, parents who are self-employed raising their prices for the goods and services they offer, schools closing and teacher redundancy, impact on the Teachers’ Pension Scheme if independent schools withdraw etc.

Tax receipts in income tax will go down! I won’t need to work if I’m not paying fees by business and I paid over £100k in tax last year alone!

This policy isn’t just harmful to the 7 percent it affects directly, but will potentially impact all children, will we get minds changed.

It will put more pressure on the state sector and do more harm overall than good.

This is flawed logic - I suspect fewer than 50% of private school teachers would join the state sector if their schools closed. Most of the indie teachers I know trained in state then moved to private to get half decent pay and conditions

Could you not have posted this on one of the many existing threads about this?

Education is a right, private education is not. If people can’t afford it post VAT then their child will need to attend state school or be home schooled. Same as for everyone else who can’t afford private school.

Interestingly this is starting to go the other way - I’ve heard of some private teachers moving to the state sector as their private school can no longer afford TPS.

Not overwhelming numbers, and you’re right some teachers would leave the profession anyway.

But the end goal is to have state schools that are adequately funded and fit for purpose, so that teachers don’t want to leave in the first place.

Isn't there also vat exemptions where vat can be claimed back on items that private schools buy

Tax receipts in income tax will go down! I won’t need to work if I’m not paying fees by business and I paid over £100k in tax last year alone!

You earned enough to pay £100k in income tax last year yet you only work to pay school fees?

Yeah most of us,don't really care ,because we have no option but to send our kids to state school
And you can waffle on about all the" sacrifices" you make etc but most people still can't afford it.

Just remortgage and pay the fees upfront OP, most of the schools are offering it.

This is brand new information!

How come no one has started a thread on this before?

You will care though, when the state system becomes even more over burdened. It’s not just teachers they need, it’s facilities, books, everything. And that will take a huge amount of time. In the meantime a percentage of those private kids will move to state. But more than that, am even bigger percentage of kids won’t go to private who would have, that’s what they think is the biggest effort.

so when your kid can’t get their place in a school within several miles. When they are in classes of 40 or more. Yeah everyone will care.

Outcomes for privately educated individuals are improved across the board, whatever measure you choose to use.

A private education absolutely adds huge value above a state education.

Why shouldn't it be subject to Value Added Tax??

All these private school parents coming out the woodwork expecting the general population to give a toss about their child's education when they've never given a toss about the effects of austerity on state education.

Is there a violin small enough to serenade these chickens coming home to roost?

you are completely wrong about that, many teachers move between the two sectors during their career, some private school teachers don't want to work in state, but very few, some state school teachers don't want to work in private, but most will do it if a position they want for career progression is advertised.

But "half decent pay and conditions" 😂

no.

Teacher's pay and conditions in private are often significantly worse than in state.