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nursery opening hours

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scottishgal09 · 12/06/2024 22:58

I need to go back to work so will soon be putting my 9 month old in nursery, only thing is that the earliest I can find any nursery open is 7 am to 7 pm. The 7 pm closing time is fine but I really find I need a opening time of 6 pm. I also work Saturday mornings so need something that is open 6 days. Start time should be at least 6:00 pm but I struggle to find this. Do these type of nursery’s exist? What are the opening and closing hours for your nursery’s? Why don’t nursery’s take into account that some parents need to work 6 days 🤨?

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Needanewname42 · 13/06/2024 10:30

TinkerTiger · 13/06/2024 09:55

And live-outs earn even more. Think about it, 30k for FT hours (nannies typically do 8-6 5 days a week) would equate to an hourly wage of £11.53, 10p above NMW. Nannying is not a NMW job, live-out jobs in my area are about £18-20 hourly. I do weekend work and charge even more per hour, that's my days off that I'm giving up

Edited

Do you mean live in nannies are just over NMW? So NMW plus board?

I've never looked in depth at the cost of nannies and I do imagine they'll be cheaper in some areas than others. Supply and demand.

But I've always thought of it as effectively you are paying a full other person where in nursery your paying for your share 1:3 of a person. And that ratio obviously changes as children get older.
But I can see why it makes sense if you have 2 or 3 children close in age to pay for a nanny. Or if your both doing professional jobs high earners and working unpredictable hours or needing to travel.

And I'm not getting the vibe from the Op that is their position.

WaltzingWaters · 13/06/2024 10:35

I mean this kindly because life and childcare is ridiculously expensive right now. But even if you could find these hours for childcare, it simply would be insanely unfair on your child being in childcare those crazy hours. Even 5 days 8 hours is a push. I say this as a former nanny who worked 24/6, those children really suffered emotionally barely seeing their parents, and that was with a permanent nanny figure in their life.
Children grow so fast, you don’t want to miss out on pretty much all their early years.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 13/06/2024 10:41

WaltzingWaters · 13/06/2024 10:35

I mean this kindly because life and childcare is ridiculously expensive right now. But even if you could find these hours for childcare, it simply would be insanely unfair on your child being in childcare those crazy hours. Even 5 days 8 hours is a push. I say this as a former nanny who worked 24/6, those children really suffered emotionally barely seeing their parents, and that was with a permanent nanny figure in their life.
Children grow so fast, you don’t want to miss out on pretty much all their early years.

Totally agree.
no one is punishing a working parent or judging a baby being in childcare but my god the hours and number of days the OP is asking for is insane and deeply unfair on the child. There’s surely a better way to juggle this, 2 jobs each implies neither is a career and so could afford to drop a job to see your child.

MissTrip82 · 13/06/2024 10:45

I’ve worked at a few hospitals with child care centres that open at 0615 or 0630.

I don’t know a single person who works 9-5.

AlohaRose · 13/06/2024 10:48

To be fair, the OP says that a 7 p.m. close is fine but that doesn't mean she needs her child to be there until seven. However, even a 6 a.m. to perhaps 5 p.m. day, plus Saturday mornings is a really long time for childcare hours. Lots and lots of us have been in the position of balancing work, life and childcare and using less than ideal solutions, longer hours than we want, ridiculous commutes etc but there has to be a point where your health, life and emotional state suffers too much to make it worthwhile or even possible.

scottishgal09 · 13/06/2024 10:59

MissTrip82 · 13/06/2024 10:45

I’ve worked at a few hospitals with child care centres that open at 0615 or 0630.

I don’t know a single person who works 9-5.

Thank-you so they exist ? Hospital nursery’s are only for doctor’s and nurses kids ? Even 6:15 am is fine for me and my husband.

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scottishgal09 · 13/06/2024 11:05

AlohaRose · 13/06/2024 10:48

To be fair, the OP says that a 7 p.m. close is fine but that doesn't mean she needs her child to be there until seven. However, even a 6 a.m. to perhaps 5 p.m. day, plus Saturday mornings is a really long time for childcare hours. Lots and lots of us have been in the position of balancing work, life and childcare and using less than ideal solutions, longer hours than we want, ridiculous commutes etc but there has to be a point where your health, life and emotional state suffers too much to make it worthwhile or even possible.

I can pick up early but can’t start work late in the morning or I will loose my job.
I can’t afford a nanny, I don’t want a childminder. Nursery has lots of toys and books and activities, and different food that a childminder doesn’t.

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Shinyandnew1 · 13/06/2024 11:06

scottishgal09 · 13/06/2024 10:59

Thank-you so they exist ? Hospital nursery’s are only for doctor’s and nurses kids ? Even 6:15 am is fine for me and my husband.

They don’t in my area. There used to be a hospital nursery, work has workers but it closed.

WithACatLikeTread · 13/06/2024 11:08

No childminder I know works Saturday.

Arewealljustloosingtheplot · 13/06/2024 11:10

scottishgal09 · 13/06/2024 10:59

Thank-you so they exist ? Hospital nursery’s are only for doctor’s and nurses kids ? Even 6:15 am is fine for me and my husband.

I can’t believe that you’ve read back all these replies and you still think this is a good idea for your child!

TinkerTiger · 13/06/2024 11:12

Needanewname42 · 13/06/2024 10:30

Do you mean live in nannies are just over NMW? So NMW plus board?

I've never looked in depth at the cost of nannies and I do imagine they'll be cheaper in some areas than others. Supply and demand.

But I've always thought of it as effectively you are paying a full other person where in nursery your paying for your share 1:3 of a person. And that ratio obviously changes as children get older.
But I can see why it makes sense if you have 2 or 3 children close in age to pay for a nanny. Or if your both doing professional jobs high earners and working unpredictable hours or needing to travel.

And I'm not getting the vibe from the Op that is their position.

No nannies are just over MW, I was trying to show that by doing the maths on the PP's comment that she thought a nanny would earn 25-30K. They would earn much more for FT hours, live-in or out.

BusyCM · 13/06/2024 11:12

Nursery has lots of toys and books and activities, and different food that a childminder doesn’t

😂😂

CandidHedgehog · 13/06/2024 11:12

scottishgal09 · 13/06/2024 10:59

Thank-you so they exist ? Hospital nursery’s are only for doctor’s and nurses kids ? Even 6:15 am is fine for me and my husband.

In a lot of areas, they don’t exist anymore.

Basically nurses / doctors in hospitals (like police officers and other people doing rotational shift work) manage with partners or family doing all the heavy lifting on child care. If they don’t have the support, they move to other jobs.

Various people have suggested you work out whether you or your partner are just working to pay for child care and I think that one of you dropping hours to care for the child may be the only answer.

If you do find a nursery that starts at 6 (unlikely), the chances are the waiting lists will be astronomical, as in you needed to get on it as soon as you realised you were pregnant for a space in the toddler room.

TinkerTiger · 13/06/2024 11:14

BusyCM · 13/06/2024 11:12

Nursery has lots of toys and books and activities, and different food that a childminder doesn’t

😂😂

yeah I'm beginning to think that OP is on a windup.

Singersong · 13/06/2024 11:14

I really think you need to sort something else out.

Leaving a 9 month old baby for 13 hours a day, 6 days a week is going to be very bad for her. You'll literally have one day a week with your baby.

parkrun500club · 13/06/2024 11:15

Arewealljustloosingtheplot · 13/06/2024 11:10

I can’t believe that you’ve read back all these replies and you still think this is a good idea for your child!

Well, presumably the OP and her partner need to keep a roof over their heads, pay for food, energy bills etc.,

If you need childcare 5.5 days a week, you need it. Whether it exists is another matter of course - but there must be lots of people in this sort of situation, who could usefully comment on this thread, rather than the privileged MN professional who either earns a lot themselves or has a rich husband being sanctimonious.

Carpetmoth · 13/06/2024 11:15

Childminders do have plenty of resources and often attend local group activities. Most don't start that early though. As others have said when the child reaches school age the wraparound care won't start that early.

Coffeeandcrocs · 13/06/2024 11:16

So baby is going to have to wake up between 5-5.30am six days a week?

Yikes. I'd be exploring every other possible option to be honest OP

Singersong · 13/06/2024 11:18

Well, presumably the OP and her partner need to keep a roof over their heads, pay for food, energy bills etc

I'd rather be skint. Seriously.

Arewealljustloosingtheplot · 13/06/2024 11:19

Singersong · 13/06/2024 11:18

Well, presumably the OP and her partner need to keep a roof over their heads, pay for food, energy bills etc

I'd rather be skint. Seriously.

Same. I work full time and I do understand , my kids all went to nursery. BUT what the OP is suggesting is beyond the limits really, in a lot of opinions, not just mine.

MiddleAgedDread · 13/06/2024 11:20

scottishgal09 · 13/06/2024 11:05

I can pick up early but can’t start work late in the morning or I will loose my job.
I can’t afford a nanny, I don’t want a childminder. Nursery has lots of toys and books and activities, and different food that a childminder doesn’t.

You say you can't afford a nanny but realistically it's looking like you don't have any other option and if you're planning to have a second child any time in the next couple of years it would probably be more cost effective than nursery for 2. 10 sessions a week (5 days full time as they count half day as a "session") at my local nursery is over £1300 a month for under 2's and we've already established that no nursery or childminder is going to offer the hours you need.

TheAlchemistElixa · 13/06/2024 11:21

parkrun500club · 13/06/2024 11:15

Well, presumably the OP and her partner need to keep a roof over their heads, pay for food, energy bills etc.,

If you need childcare 5.5 days a week, you need it. Whether it exists is another matter of course - but there must be lots of people in this sort of situation, who could usefully comment on this thread, rather than the privileged MN professional who either earns a lot themselves or has a rich husband being sanctimonious.

But with childcare costs so high at this age, it’s likely that many parents will have the “option” of not working and being a stay at home parent, since their wages would only just cover childcare costs anyway.

And if I or my partner had the option of not acting our ninth month old baby in a busy childcare setting 6 days a week, with incredibly long hours that even an adult wouldn’t endure, then - much though I love and need my job for mental reasons as well as financial - I or he would become a stay at home parent until we could arrive at a better solution for our child.

The fact that the OP won’t even consider a childminder for some quite bizarre and uninformed reasons perhaps show that she and the father haven’t really considered all their options property at all.

CandidHedgehog · 13/06/2024 11:21

parkrun500club · 13/06/2024 11:15

Well, presumably the OP and her partner need to keep a roof over their heads, pay for food, energy bills etc.,

If you need childcare 5.5 days a week, you need it. Whether it exists is another matter of course - but there must be lots of people in this sort of situation, who could usefully comment on this thread, rather than the privileged MN professional who either earns a lot themselves or has a rich husband being sanctimonious.

Yes but in this case she seems likely to be earning less per day than the cost of child care (since if she does find a 13 hour a day nursery, she won’t be paying 8-5.30 fees, it will be a lot more).

If that’s correct she (and her partner who is equally responsible) doesn’t ‘need’ to work - she wants to and is literally paying to do so. It’s not being sanctimonious to point that out.

Apolloneuro · 13/06/2024 11:21

scottishgal09 · 13/06/2024 01:11

It’s not that easy to change jobs. If I leave my job it could be that I will not get it again, I shouldn’t be punished for having a job.

If you put a baby into daycare at 6am for 6 days a week, it’s the baby who will be punished. That I can guarantee.

scottishgal09 · 13/06/2024 11:21

Arewealljustloosingtheplot · 13/06/2024 11:10

I can’t believe that you’ve read back all these replies and you still think this is a good idea for your child!

Yes it is a good idea for my child, I need to work and don’t want to loose my job when my child is in school. It’s a good job with good pay and lots of benefits. If I leave I won’t find another job like it.

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