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To find what’s happened to Michael Mosley quite anxiety provoking

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Glasto73lover · 10/06/2024 18:14

It’s that idea of never really knowing what’s going to happen- the idea that we walk such a fine line in life. If you think too much about it, you probably wouldn’t leave the house.!

A close family member died suddenly and tragically a decade ago - literally dropped dead at home age 48 - something went pop in their head. So you genuinely don’t know when your time is up.

It’s that idea of a chain of consequence that can go so horribly wrong too- people always say ‘oh but you could get hit by a bus’ - stuff like this actually makes me really anxious. So many what ifs.

For Michael Moseley - a chain of probably inconsequential decisions may have led to his death- not having a phone on him, choosing to undertake a walk that in the U.K. is nothing but in that heat, was devastating and probably caused his death.

It makes me anxious that I won’t know if I am making those decisions - am I making sense? I think as I have got older, I have become more anxious and risk averse (thanks menopause) and as a result, you could end up not leaving the house. How do you choose a sensible approach? Not too much risk but some!

But I also want to live my life too!! I guess I find incidents like this quite difficult!

I guess always having a phone, not undertaking walks in intense heat in an unfamiliar place etc are the common sense points that will come out of this tragedy.

Aibu to find it anxiety provoking tho?!

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fitbiscuit · 10/06/2024 21:12

Michael Mosley's death is so desperately sad and I think pretty much everyone is upset about it. I think in a way it is really sad in that he had put in a lot of work to beat his own genetics to try and live a longer, healthier life with his family and he then shared his experiences with us. It's difficult because he died as you say due a series of choices that put him on a path nobody would have expected and the fact that if even one thing had been different then the outcome might have been different is tough to get your head round, but it could literally happen to anyone. Then at the same time it is kind of comforting to know that it wasn't a heart attack or stroke because then his legacy that you can make positive changes that out smart your genetics can live on if you see what I mean?

As for everyone it is true, we never know the day and we should all be more grateful for the time we do have with our loved ones when we and they are here.

wombat15 · 10/06/2024 21:13

TwixOwl · 10/06/2024 21:11

If he was feeling unwell maybe he would have sadly died that day anyway back at the hotel. My husband's work colleague said he was going for a walk as didn't feel right. An hour or so later he died suddenly in the street.

Very true.

notacooldad · 10/06/2024 21:13

I just think once your time's up death will get you one way or another. For example, if you get so frightened to go out if in case something happens, you may trip and fall down the stairs.
Micheal Mosley actively sought to love a long and healthy life and did everything possible. Even not taking his phone was probably deliberate as he said he often left it behind to live in the moment. Death found a way of getting him.

Marinade · 10/06/2024 21:14

wombat15 · 10/06/2024 21:06

While everyone makes mistakes his was the type of error you would expect noone over the age of 25 to make. A rookie error from someone who spent his career advising and sometimes criticising people for the way they did things.

I totally agree, such basic and rudimentary errors. I cannot eulogise the man, its sad but compared to the many many tragic and horrific things we see happen (particularly to children and vulnerable people who do not have MM's wealth and intellect), it really is not impactful (not withstanding to his family of course).

Letmehaveabloodyusernameplease · 10/06/2024 21:14

TwixOwl · 10/06/2024 21:11

If he was feeling unwell maybe he would have sadly died that day anyway back at the hotel. My husband's work colleague said he was going for a walk as didn't feel right. An hour or so later he died suddenly in the street.

This is my thought too. He previously stated that there were heart problems in his family.

BeaRF75 · 10/06/2024 21:14

Moving on from the specific case (which has had far too much coverage), the reality is that any of us could die at any time. And that's fine..... if I die tonight, so what? I probably won't know anything about it. Far better than doddering on in poor health until I'm 90 or - even worse - the unimaginable horror of living forever!
We should all just make the most of how much or little time we have, enjoy ourselves, stop stressing and, above all, stop fussing about our ailments. What will be, will be.....

SecretSquirreling · 10/06/2024 21:15

Glasto73lover · 10/06/2024 20:16

Well I find all you emotionless ghouls that aren’t affected by world events pretty weird too tbh

I think this response has highlighted to me exactly why I find it so distasteful.

This isn't a 'world event'. It's one family's private tragedy. Or it would have been were it not for the fact his work as a doctor took him on to TV (how and why that happened is irrelevant).

It wasn't a terrorist attack, a war or a natural disaster. It was a family holiday that ended in tragedy because of series of events which occurred following the private and personal decisions of one infallible human. And the result of these will be felt by his entire family and anyone who personally knew him for years to come.

And long after you have found another 'world event' to ruminate over.

Gondoliere · 10/06/2024 21:16

I also feel like he should knew the risks. I was thinking he helped so many people so surely he had a lot of good karma but dying like this was so sad. It was in a way very unfair from this point of view.

RogersOrganismicProcess · 10/06/2024 21:16

How very lovely that some people get to wake up happily, with joy and a sense of adventure, not knowing that this day will be the day that they die.

No worrying diagnosis, no drawn out suffering and decline, no heartache knowing time with loved ones is limited, and worrying what will become of them. No feelings of guilt for leaving people behind or seeing/imagining them suffer. Just living life in the moment with a joyful imagined future stretched out like an innocent illusion.

However, for the family it is incredibly tough to loose a loved on so suddenly. My thoughts are with his wife, children and brother.

wombat15 · 10/06/2024 21:17

fitbiscuit · 10/06/2024 21:12

Michael Mosley's death is so desperately sad and I think pretty much everyone is upset about it. I think in a way it is really sad in that he had put in a lot of work to beat his own genetics to try and live a longer, healthier life with his family and he then shared his experiences with us. It's difficult because he died as you say due a series of choices that put him on a path nobody would have expected and the fact that if even one thing had been different then the outcome might have been different is tough to get your head round, but it could literally happen to anyone. Then at the same time it is kind of comforting to know that it wasn't a heart attack or stroke because then his legacy that you can make positive changes that out smart your genetics can live on if you see what I mean?

As for everyone it is true, we never know the day and we should all be more grateful for the time we do have with our loved ones when we and they are here.

He might have had a heart attack or stroke though. They don't know why he died yet. Even if it wasn't a heart attack or stroke we also don't know that his advice was correct and that he had "out smarted" his genetics because he didn't get to the age most of his male relatives who did die from heart disease.

Ozanj · 10/06/2024 21:18

Ilovemyshed · 10/06/2024 18:42

Well, to be fair, he was walking at lunchtime, the hottest part of the day, in almost 40 degree temps, with "a" bottle of water and no way of contacting anyone. He got lost, confused by dehydration and collapsed it appears.

I'd say that whilst unintentional, it was misjudged and quite risky and he sadly paid with his life.

This. His death was utterly preventable and I’m sure that while his family are distraught they are also angry too.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 10/06/2024 21:18

I'm far more worried by the idea of a slow death by a terminal illness, or a descent into dementia, than a sudden death tbh. I'd rather not know it was coming. As for solitary walking - I would never do that anywhere remote or at all far from home, as I am appalling at finding my way anywhere.

cakeorwine · 10/06/2024 21:19

I can look back at my life and things that I've done that could be foolhardy.

Assessing risk and taking sensible precautions to reduce the risk - I've walked in heat before and that was in a big city. I can't imagine what it must have been like walking in that heat - and then slowly developing heat stroke.

We can assess our risk when we do activities - and take steps to minimise the risk

SackofSweets · 10/06/2024 21:20

I get anxious but I actually think dropping dead sounds perfect.

betterangels · 10/06/2024 21:20

Glasto73lover · 10/06/2024 20:16

Well I find all you emotionless ghouls that aren’t affected by world events pretty weird too tbh

It's not a world event. And your personal attack is uncalled for.

blackfuchsia · 10/06/2024 21:20

Marinade · 10/06/2024 21:14

I totally agree, such basic and rudimentary errors. I cannot eulogise the man, its sad but compared to the many many tragic and horrific things we see happen (particularly to children and vulnerable people who do not have MM's wealth and intellect), it really is not impactful (not withstanding to his family of course).

He certainly made an impact on me with his programmes. I’ve changed many things I do because of him and he had a lot more to give. He was an extraordinary man in many ways.

ItsFuckingBoringFeedingEveryoneUntilYouDie · 10/06/2024 21:21

I would rather see it as a sign to live every day as if it could be my last.

betterangels · 10/06/2024 21:21

SecretSquirreling · 10/06/2024 21:15

I think this response has highlighted to me exactly why I find it so distasteful.

This isn't a 'world event'. It's one family's private tragedy. Or it would have been were it not for the fact his work as a doctor took him on to TV (how and why that happened is irrelevant).

It wasn't a terrorist attack, a war or a natural disaster. It was a family holiday that ended in tragedy because of series of events which occurred following the private and personal decisions of one infallible human. And the result of these will be felt by his entire family and anyone who personally knew him for years to come.

And long after you have found another 'world event' to ruminate over.

Exactly this.

wombat15 · 10/06/2024 21:21

blackfuchsia · 10/06/2024 21:20

He certainly made an impact on me with his programmes. I’ve changed many things I do because of him and he had a lot more to give. He was an extraordinary man in many ways.

If you followed his advise on fasting the fact that he changed the way you did things may not have been a good thing.

notacooldad · 10/06/2024 21:22

For people being angry about that he took a risk and should have known better, I wonder if their lives are completely risk free. Have they never made a split second decision that normally goes against their better judgement but thought 'go on, it'll be aright' I know I have.
Maybe he thought the villa wasn't as far as it was, maybe he thought that it would be tough going but he could chill when he got back. Who knows but random people do not have the right to be angry without knowing the facts.
We ha e all done dumb stuff at some point in our lives.

Maia77 · 10/06/2024 21:22

I'm surprised, given his medical training, that he wasn't aware how dangerous physical exertion in such hot weather is. If that was a slow, shaded walk he set off on he would have probably been ok, but he was in the open, under the blazing sun and the umbrella was pretty much useless as it couldn't have protected him from the heat.

qwertyasdfgzxcv · 10/06/2024 21:23

DaisyChain505 · 10/06/2024 18:29

I’m sorry to sound cold but this incident was a case of you play silly games and you win silly prizes.

Going for a walk in an unknown place in extreme heat without the correct resources or enough water and without a phone!

He got lost from a path. I'm not really sure but most of it was straightforward paths until he veered off onto the rocky terrain. Maybe he was feeling unwell and thought it would be a shortcut

Karatema · 10/06/2024 21:23

I'm a fatalist. I believe when it's our time to go you can do nothing about it!
Those people who avoided the 9:11 flights weren't meant to go; those who did - it was their time.

StMarieforme · 10/06/2024 21:23

Gettingbysomehow · 10/06/2024 18:23

I feel absolutely furious with him. Quite unreasonably as I don't know him. Why did a medical doctor think it was OK to go for a long walk in 40 degree heat at the height of the day with one very small bottle of water and no phone????
He wasn't young either. He was 67.
Sheer stupidity.
Now his wife is on her own for her whole retirement. He won't see his kids marry or have children.
Older single women as I know very well often get abandoned by their married friends after the husband has gone. It takes time but in couple of years she will be lonely.
The utter stupidity of the whole thing made me feel sick and depressed.

I'm baffled by this too. It's so bizarre.

wonderingwandering99 · 10/06/2024 21:24

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