To find what’s happened to Michael Mosley quite anxiety provoking

[Glasto73lover]

It’s that idea of never really knowing what’s going to happen- the idea that we walk such a fine line in life. If you think too much about it, you probably wouldn’t leave the house.!

A close family member died suddenly and tragically a decade ago - literally dropped dead at home age 48 - something went pop in their head. So you genuinely don’t know when your time is up.

It’s that idea of a chain of consequence that can go so horribly wrong too- people always say ‘oh but you could get hit by a bus’ - stuff like this actually makes me really anxious. So many what ifs.

For Michael Moseley - a chain of probably inconsequential decisions may have led to his death- not having a phone on him, choosing to undertake a walk that in the U.K. is nothing but in that heat, was devastating and probably caused his death.

It makes me anxious that I won’t know if I am making those decisions - am I making sense? I think as I have got older, I have become more anxious and risk averse (thanks menopause) and as a result, you could end up not leaving the house. How do you choose a sensible approach? Not too much risk but some!

But I also want to live my life too!! I guess I find incidents like this quite difficult!

I guess always having a phone, not undertaking walks in intense heat in an unfamiliar place etc are the common sense points that will come out of this tragedy.

Aibu to find it anxiety provoking tho?!

How rude are you? Incorrect, he died two hours after his last sighting so he would likely not have made the three hour hike even if had he taken the correct route. He had no phone and insufficient water in 40 degree heat.

But it doesn't actually impact your life in any way whatsoever.

His family have suffered a tragedy.

You've just found a way to make it about you.

You are no greater risk of this, or anything else, happening to you because this happened to him.

I saw a thread on MM over the weekend speculating and someone said something along the lines of it didn't matter because none of his friends or family would read it. Actually, given the number of users on here it's quite likely that someone would read it who did know him and is genuinely affected by what happened to him in a very real sense and not an imagined one.

You have voiced exactly my feelings and I feel desperately for his wife as she must be so angry with herself for going along with such an idiotic plan

So nothing that anyone ever reads ever in the press about anything or anyone ever impacts us or makes us reflect on our own lives unless we actually know the people involved?

what an absolute load of shite.

Bloody Nora, she's not even buried the husband she had - I hardly think the chances of a new relationship are on the agenda at the moment.

The direct route was apparently a 30-40 minute walk from Pedi. He was out in the hills a LOT longer than he should have been - around 2 hours before being spotted stumbling on CCTV.

This thread is a bit of a relief. I've been feeling really bad thinking his wife and kids must be furious with him. I know i would be. But it feels awful thinking like that.

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No it was not 30 - 40 minutes - I read it was three hours from Pedii to hike over the mountain range he embarked on, where are you getting this from?

'But it doesn't actually impact your life in any way whatsoever.'

Well that is clearly not true, is it? His death has impacted a lot of people. Not as greatly as it has impacted his wife, children, friends, colleagues, but many people who never met him have been impacted, the OP among them

What stopped you from reflecting in private?

His wife has lost her husband, his children have lost their dad, there are many, many people who will he devastated by his death.

But you're posting on a public forum crying "but what about me" and i think that's is pretty tasteless tbh.

The way you are extrapolating this unfortunate incident to create a sense of woe and anxiety with unconnected and imaginary scenarios is a bit dramatic to be fair.

Show me where the walk from Pedi to the accommodation is a 3 hour hike. If I'm rude, it's because I'm sick of the factually incorrect bullshit being posted about this man. You don't even know what killed him yet!

Exactly.

If you mean like some kind of final destination type scenario YANBU. Always think this with accidents, I try to be hyper vigilant now.

Did some incredibly stupid things when I was younger, not unlike MM. Climbed a mountainous area in Tenerife with no water, food, sunblock (wearing a bikini, shorts and trainers). Stupid. The skin on my back peeled off practically in one go, my legs were swollen from sunburn, I had blistered skin. No mobile phone as didn’t have one back then and nobody knew where I was. If I’d broken something I’d probably have ended up dead- ticket cancelled, game over. Life is fragile.

RIP Michael.

Yes, but we don't know why he was stumbling and whether they would have been able to treat it straight away.

I haven't really got a person like that in my life.

I have news for you.

This is a forum to DISCUSS stuff.

It may seem alien to you but world events do actually make some of us reflect on our own lives too.

Bonkers concept I know but if you don’t like it, maybe leave this group for discussion.

So weird to be angry with MM and on behalf of his wife too.

He might just have taken a very unfortunate wrong turn. The fact that he collapsed near the fence suggests to me that he might have seen the building and been trying to reach it and then realised there was a fence between him and safety. That’s very sad if true.

I am 15 years younger than MM, but also of the generation not used to taking my phone everywhere. I sometimes go on remote hikes and I have no reception to call anyone anyway.
I don’t think I am anymore likely to collapse now than when I was 30, though I probably am. I don’t think of myself as old. My dad is 82 and still walks everywhere without a phone.

Your speculation is just as pointless as anyone else’s. We don’t know what happened but it is fact that it was 40C that day and that sort of heat can cause all kinds of health problems, even in healthy people. 4,500 people died in the short heatwave we had in the UK in 2022.

Not read all the posts. I’m an ICU nurse in a major trauma centre. Highly intelligent people do really stupid things all the time; I know because we pick up the pieces. People fall down stairs drunk, they take drugs and overdose, they try to unalive themselves, they get hit by buses, they die of heatstroke, and a zillion other things.

If you’ve seen what I’ve seen, you’d never leave the house. Honestly. Intelligence is not always a factor in doing stupid things. In fact, intelligence can sometimes drive arrogance; he probably thought he’d be absolutely fine. He didn’t set out to kill himself. It was a stupid mistake. Something that intelligent people do, daily. Anyone interested in the science and psychology of this should into ‘human factors’. It’s super interesting and highlight how we make mistakes and why!

So weird to come on a discussion group and then criticise the posters for discussing stuff.

People are still implying his behaviour wasn’t extreme on that day even though the locals and the mayor clearly thought it was. I think the late Dr Mosley was terrified of ending up like his father and had the motto what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger. I tried his 800 cal diet very extreme tbh and couldn’t manage it more than a few days. I think as you get older you shouldn’t put your body through extremes as you get older, you have to be very in tune to what your body is telling you. Even younger sports people are now found to suffer more from things like motor neurone disease.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/michael-mosley-rescuers-fear-wrong-turn-dangerous-mountain-path/ This is one of many articles that stated the hike from Pedi to Symi town was three hours.