To find what’s happened to Michael Mosley quite anxiety provoking

[Glasto73lover]

It’s that idea of never really knowing what’s going to happen- the idea that we walk such a fine line in life. If you think too much about it, you probably wouldn’t leave the house.!

A close family member died suddenly and tragically a decade ago - literally dropped dead at home age 48 - something went pop in their head. So you genuinely don’t know when your time is up.

It’s that idea of a chain of consequence that can go so horribly wrong too- people always say ‘oh but you could get hit by a bus’ - stuff like this actually makes me really anxious. So many what ifs.

For Michael Moseley - a chain of probably inconsequential decisions may have led to his death- not having a phone on him, choosing to undertake a walk that in the U.K. is nothing but in that heat, was devastating and probably caused his death.

It makes me anxious that I won’t know if I am making those decisions - am I making sense? I think as I have got older, I have become more anxious and risk averse (thanks menopause) and as a result, you could end up not leaving the house. How do you choose a sensible approach? Not too much risk but some!

But I also want to live my life too!! I guess I find incidents like this quite difficult!

I guess always having a phone, not undertaking walks in intense heat in an unfamiliar place etc are the common sense points that will come out of this tragedy.

Aibu to find it anxiety provoking tho?!

Yep. I’m a lizard with underactive thyroid and thrive in 30+ degrees. And have to wear a coat in the office when meeting rooms are 17 degrees. 🙈 Whereas my friend is sweating and really struggles in 25 degrees. So some people are definitely more susceptible to heat stroke than others.

But given the countries that are hot all year round and people successfully work in those temps, I’m a) shocked this happened to someone fit and healthy, b) shocked that the public reaction seems to be “don’t go outside in hot weather and you’re stupid if you do” rather than, it was an unfortunate accident.

Three of them were OK, but one of them went from normal to a coma over the course of a mile

It’s shocking how fast it happens.
Same with MM- seen striding along on good form in the CCTV in the village, and then dead 2 hours later. Shocking.

Literally hundreds of people have died in India of heatstroke this year. It's just that they don't make any headlines.

India is another level though, it’s like 50 degrees there right now and humid too. I was there in winter when it was 22-23 and everyone was in puffer coats and hats!

Thanks for reminding us of that. Some of the dire climate predictions are already coming to pass, unfortunately.

@Forfuckssaketheearthisnotflat

Yes it's extremely sad. If the fence hadn't been there, then I guess that he might have made it, but those last crucial 30 mins were wasted.

My guess is that he started feeling faint, and was potentially starting to lose his vision, so he lay down intentionally to try to push the blood back towards the heart. He really fought until the end.

It is so shocking. I will forever respect the power of the heat and sun now. I've 99% avoided it as I'm pale as hell but I've had a few moments living abroad where I was a typical brit lapping up the heat and had sunstroke twice. It's scary how quickly things can turn. Oh Michael ☹️

@MidnightMeltdown, if the fence hadn’t been there it might have made a difference but that’s not certain. I just read this in a DM article about Levison Wood’s companion dying of heatstroke (@crackofdoom’s post prompted me to Google that story as I hadn’t heard of Wood or his expedition):

‘When your body's internal temperature gets above 39C, it effectively starts to shut down. Once the process begins you have about 30 minutes to cool down before you slip into a coma, and eventually death.’

So even if MM had made it to the bar instead of spending 30 minutes moving about outside the fence, it may well have already been too late, especially given there was no hospital on the island.

I feel comforted that I'd never make the choices he made that led to his death.

Never ever.

Yes it's possible that it would still have been too late to save him, but if he'd got out of the sun 30 minutes earlier, and had water and ice placed on him, then he would have stood a chance.

Ice packs placed under the arms would cool the body fairly quickly.

He took ages to walk from one post to the next - a distance of about 30m- so he was either stumbling about or moving like a sloth.

It’s very upsetting. I’m glad they have not released the footage and hope his family don’t see it.

I agree with the poster who said it sounds like he lay himself down in that position.

Clever, smug old you.

Fucking hell.

@Calliopespa I agree too, his position was laid out straight and not a falling position.

@headstone what is the risk to people, especially men, over 40 of doing vigorous exercise?

It's not something I'm aware of as an almost 50 year old woman.

I don't think the "old" people who I see at my local park run, half marathon or swim events are aware that participating is risky.

Should we be limiting our exercise to the non vigorous variety?

Ugh @newbathroomhelplease how smug and shortsighted- you are
already in significant danger from hanging by your own massive judgeypants.

I don't really understand why so many people are continuing to say they don't/won't carry phones. If MM had been carrying a phone, it's likely he'd still be alive, for multiple reasons. He could have seen a map and realised he was heading in the wrong direction. He could have checked the temperature, which was perhaps hotter than he realised. He could have called his wife or friends who knew the island, or emergency services for help. I'd never, ever start throwing blame towards someone who has tragically lost their life, but I do desperately wish he'd had a phone and I do wish all the people who are being so snotty about carrying one would think again. I'm sure nobody ever thinks they're going to need it till it's too late. Being alone with no means of summoning help is never clever.

Sorry to be pedantic, but I can’t see where Joe or anyone says he was going back and forth stumbling over the rocks for half an hr, going back on himself. Do you have a link?

I really hope that no member of Dr Moseley's family see this post.

I agree.

@Rubbishconfession
"Sorry to be pedantic, but I can’t see where Joe or anyone says he was going back and forth stumbling over the rocks for half an hr, going back on himself. Do you have a link?"
Apparantly, when he reached the fence at the rear of the Marina, he went backwards and forwards. Possibly looking for a gate...
Then he walked further down to the fence at the side of the marina, before he sat down.
They won't show that bit of the cctv, as that was just before he lay down and died.
Someone who had seen the cctv drew the route, and apparantly this is where he was stumbling, etc.
Also, it from when he was previously spotted at the village before (Pedi?), it was a long time before he was spotted at the marina.
I think the implication is that he was already suffering from heat stroke.
I have read two reports that stated he felt a bit unwell, before leaving, and that was the reason for attempting to return to the villa.

@newbathroomhelplease
"I feel comforted that I'd never make the choices he made that led to his death"

We ALL sometimes make mistakes, but fortunately, they do not always lead to tragedy. You will make different mistakes, and hopefully nothing you do will to tragedy, but life is full of choices, and 'what ifs'.

Tragic what has happened, but it has made us all think about our actions, and it will make us think about things we do. We are both a few years older than MM. As we were reading the news DH and I have activated location sharing on our phones. DH goes for a few hours walk most mornings and usually tells me his planned route in case of emergency (or if it starts to rain, so I can find him in the car - he got caught in a sudden storm once,) so this may help, but will hopefully never be needed. As you get older, friends and colleagues fall off. We had a friend due in a car on his way from a wedding at 57, another drop from a brain heamorage at 64, but worse, in our eyes, a really close friend has suddenly been diagnosed with a lung condition which seriously curtains his movements, not quite housebound yet, but can't walk more than a few metres without stopping to recover. They had a very active lifestyle. Lots of travel, and at a stroke , that is over. He is 78 so feels this is the beginning of the end, he is keeping positive, but his wife is finding it very hard.

This is a wonderful reply and I welled up reading it. 🥺

I'm trying not to read anymore accounts of this but The Times said he was going back and forth around the fence. The Mail said he was stumbling around for a long time and looking confused.

I read both the above. Another source I read (I think Sky News) said he was crawling around. So they all differ slightly but all agree he was in that area around the fence for 30 minutes when it should have taken 5 minutes to cross the area. He was either stumbling or crawling or both and behaving in a confused manner.