To find what’s happened to Michael Mosley quite anxiety provoking

[Glasto73lover]

It’s that idea of never really knowing what’s going to happen- the idea that we walk such a fine line in life. If you think too much about it, you probably wouldn’t leave the house.!

A close family member died suddenly and tragically a decade ago - literally dropped dead at home age 48 - something went pop in their head. So you genuinely don’t know when your time is up.

It’s that idea of a chain of consequence that can go so horribly wrong too- people always say ‘oh but you could get hit by a bus’ - stuff like this actually makes me really anxious. So many what ifs.

For Michael Moseley - a chain of probably inconsequential decisions may have led to his death- not having a phone on him, choosing to undertake a walk that in the U.K. is nothing but in that heat, was devastating and probably caused his death.

It makes me anxious that I won’t know if I am making those decisions - am I making sense? I think as I have got older, I have become more anxious and risk averse (thanks menopause) and as a result, you could end up not leaving the house. How do you choose a sensible approach? Not too much risk but some!

But I also want to live my life too!! I guess I find incidents like this quite difficult!

I guess always having a phone, not undertaking walks in intense heat in an unfamiliar place etc are the common sense points that will come out of this tragedy.

Aibu to find it anxiety provoking tho?!

Thank you; that's what I believed too.

Yes, I thought that was strange too when there was a major search going on.

There is absolutely no indication of this. His friend Tim Spector has written two articles now mentioning how MM took risks with his physical self and under estimated danger to himself. The Times Radio reporter shared police info today that MM was found in a recovery position someone with medical knowledge would put themselves in if in distress and even by a tiny trickle of running water. He seems to have taken the wrong, longer path at a confusing junction which has been described in a blog that a number of posters have linked higher up. This led to a much longer and steeper walk up and down to the beach so he came down the longer North side instead of the shorter South side. Heat stroke takes blood away from the brain so decision making is impaired but he seems to have had somewhat of an automatic pilot to do the advised thing, it was just too late.

I think that would be a very unlikely method to choose for suicide.

He died at 4.00pm on the Wednesday, 2.5 hours after he went for the walk, he was reported missing at 7.30pm, so his death couldn't have been prevented in terms of the CCTV checking.

Same as I posted previously, it's to help us believe that we have some control when we really have none.

You're completely wrong, and I think this is inappropriate to post on a popular online talk forum.

I totally get this but my mind ends up trying to think of alllllll the worst things that can happen so I don’t risk getting blindsided!

This reminds me of that saying “life is short so enjoy every moment because it could be your last” or something like that - it’s the most depressing thing to say and makes me feel anxious.

Since my 40s I started thinking about death,
mortality etc a lot more but now I find the best thing to do is to just force myself to not think about things like that. I get busy and move on.

It’s literally pointless to worry about (but I know sometimes it’s not that easy)

Apologies if this has already been posted as I've only just seen this thread and can't go back 30 pages, but I'm surprised so many people are still not aware that this can happen in hot weather:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-67826945

What does it feel like?

My DBIL collapsed on a walk recently. Neither my DS nor BIL had their phones with them! Fortunately, a local person came to their assistance and they were given a lift back to their holiday accommodation. Not heat exhaustion, as this was in the UK, and the usual dreadful weather we have been having. Re CCTV It takes a long time to go through the CCTV. Initial reports stated it was from a boat in the marina, so this could be why it was not found earlier.

@Calliopespa For me it was the most intense nausea I've ever had, felt like it was waves through my body. Headache like it was going to explode, dizzy, sharp stomach pain. I wanted to be sick and shit myself at the same time. And my skin felt cooked and painful. I couldn't move from the spot I was in without being lifted up. It crept up on me so suddenly. Just can't imagine being in my late 60s and navigating a rocky steep landscape while feeling like that 😢

@westisbest1982 thank you for clarifying this. I hadn't appreciated that the autopsy had been conducted. I still wish they'd checked the CCTV to spare his loved ones so much desperate searching. Such a tragic accident.

Thanks. No the description of him trying to get down ( presumably to the bar) is heartbreaking.

I heard he was beside the fence - presumably couldn’t get in. It’s just so sad : he was so brave and so vulnerable all at once. Still only a couple of hours in an otherwise well-lived, useful life in which he has been both loved and respected so I guess it has to be contextualised that way.

My mum told me of the time she was holidaying on either Cyprus or Cephalonia, I forget which one; this was years ago. Anyway, she had been lying on a sun lounger just a short distance from her and Dad's appartment. She ended up with what was termed by her as "a touch of the sun", and ended up wandering around for a considerable time, trying to find their appartment. She was okay in the end, but it really shook her up. Strong sun and heat can completely confuse and disorientate someone, even if they would normally know their bearings and where they were. It can creep up on someone before they're aware of it.

@Calliopespa No worries, I know it's just so awful. I'm so sad about it, especially as he was so close. And that he was pacing back and forth for half an hr around that bar when he could have got to the bar entrance in that time, just shows his state of mind and confusion. I feel sick thinking about it

I once had heatstroke while on holiday in Gran Canaria. It was awful. I experienced dizziness, headaches, chills, and vomiting. After being put in a cold shower for a while, I just lay on the cold tiled floor with wet flannels on my head. I was 24 at the time. It wasn’t even that hot that day; I had been swimming in the pool.A holiday romance nursed me back to health.

Another time, I walked up a hill to an ancient site in Turkey. Looking back, it was absolutely ridiculous—it was mid-July, and incredibly hot. I was wearing skimpy clothes. I can't even remember if I had a hat on! I came straight back down again. I was 21 years old.

I haven't really learned my lesson as on holiday recently I walked daily for 50 mins in 30 degree heat albeit on a main road with some parts shaded but still...

I am 50 and still act as if I'm in my 20s fitness wise. When I excercise I can't walk, swim or run slowly.

I will definitely alter my behaviour now for sure. I can see how this happened it is a certain personality type.

Rest in peace Michael Mosley. You really were an inspiration. Thinking of his family at this very sad time.

He went the wrong way. He didn't plan a long walk up a mountain.

Me too @Disturbia81. It’s very, very upsetting. I hope his loved ones find ways to cope with those sort of troubling thoughts about his final hours.

I once suffered badly from the heat. I was in NZ, aged 14 and on a Girl Guide Jamboree. It was very very hot and we were camping. I can’t remember what we had been doing on that particular day but there were lots of activities on camp so I might have been exerting myself one way or another. I had probably not drunk enough either. I remember feeling lethargic, confused and weirdly emotional. Nauseous too. My Guide Leaders realised I wasn’t well and I was taken to the First Aid area which was in fact a caravan. There I drank a lot of water and was given snacks. They gave me cold compresses to put in my armpits, back of neck etc. I dozed off in the caravan and remained there for the next 24 hours or so- I slept for most of that time. Was fine afterwards but it was scary at the time, especially as I was so far from home and from my family.

@Disturbia81 please try not to be upset about that report of him pacing up and down by the fence as it may not be a true report
Who would leak such a detail?
I've read 3 different positions he was supposedly found in , honestly you can't believe stuff in the media.

Yes, he got lost at Pedi and ended up walking in the opposite direction to their holiday home. Apparently he was going to get the bus back from Pedi so seems something happened at that point.

I just wish we hadn't been told all these details. We only needed to know that he'd died on holiday, probably due to heatstroke.
We know far too many details and I've found it really upsetting. It's horrible.