To find what’s happened to Michael Mosley quite anxiety provoking

[Glasto73lover]

It’s that idea of never really knowing what’s going to happen- the idea that we walk such a fine line in life. If you think too much about it, you probably wouldn’t leave the house.!

A close family member died suddenly and tragically a decade ago - literally dropped dead at home age 48 - something went pop in their head. So you genuinely don’t know when your time is up.

It’s that idea of a chain of consequence that can go so horribly wrong too- people always say ‘oh but you could get hit by a bus’ - stuff like this actually makes me really anxious. So many what ifs.

For Michael Moseley - a chain of probably inconsequential decisions may have led to his death- not having a phone on him, choosing to undertake a walk that in the U.K. is nothing but in that heat, was devastating and probably caused his death.

It makes me anxious that I won’t know if I am making those decisions - am I making sense? I think as I have got older, I have become more anxious and risk averse (thanks menopause) and as a result, you could end up not leaving the house. How do you choose a sensible approach? Not too much risk but some!

But I also want to live my life too!! I guess I find incidents like this quite difficult!

I guess always having a phone, not undertaking walks in intense heat in an unfamiliar place etc are the common sense points that will come out of this tragedy.

Aibu to find it anxiety provoking tho?!

I’m feeling the same op. It’s such a shock and I keep thinking about how they went on holiday and expected just to have a nice time and this is how it all ended. It’s horrific. I’m not so scared of myself doing something like that, I’m more scared that people around me that I love will make silly choices that will lead to this sort of thing. I can’t bare the thought of my DP passing suddenly, or friends/family.

On the nail.

I don't think I am too bothered by this kind of thing. I've always had a bit of a fatalistic streak though. Life it short, in the great scheme of things, whether you have 60 years or 80, and it always ends the same way. It's not unsure, it's about the surest thing there is.

I have had bad news recently about a few people. My friend, in her mid 40s, who will likely die of cancer in the next few years, my partner, in his early 60s, also has cancer unexpectedly but so far we don't know the likely outcome.Life does seem fragile in many ways. But I never feel likely I shouldn't live life because of it, the opposite really.

What it makes me think is of how hard those beautiful places are being hit by climate change. And the irony that a man who brought the benefits of the Mediterranean lifestyle and diet to so many dying of heat exhaustion.

I have been to Symi twice and last time I went it was unbearably hot. The year before on another island there were bush fires on the hills near our villa.

This year is no different. He wasn't stupid, he got caught out by the increased heat.

Last year when the hotel in Rhodes was burning I realised there was no way in good conscience I could fly my family to the Med for our summer holiday, so we caught a train somewhere local.

Climate breakdown is here, and it's not coming for our grandkids, it's coming for us. Sorry to be doom and gloom but his death should be a warning for us all that our current way of life (and I know it's not everyone, some of us don't fly and live very sustainably) is coming to an end and if we can learn anything from this it's that the planet is heating up and we need to do everything we can now to stop it.

There's also a sure and slow mass suicide ongoing. Climate change will destroy. You ain't seen nothing yet.

Haven't rtft but I can imagine that bravado was involved at some point in the whole thing

@Poettree To clarify, my post of 02:21 was before I'd read your 02:20 post. Totally agree with you. People need to wake up.

@RogueFemale I really hope this becomes part of the conversation around his death.

Hmm..he made a mistake...we can all do that..v sad

It won't happen. People don't want to confront the reality. It's all going to be a big surprise.

This is rubbish.

MM did not die because of climate change. He died because he went hiking at the hottest time of day, with little water, and no phone and then he apparently got lost.

Greece is a hot country, that is why Brits flock there every year for a bit of sun, you have to respect the weather and act accordingly.

I live in Queensland, Australia, one of the warmest places on earth. We are not all dropping dead of heat stroke although we might do if we don’t prepare for the sunshine, which I may add is one of the best things about living here.

It is winter here just now and we have blue sky and 25 degrees, I’m actually wearing a jumper as this feels quite cool to me.

Here in Australia we have spectacular floods and forest fires. They have always happened and always will. (Before anybody dreamed up the global warming nonsense)

Most of our fires are caused by human error, discarded cigarettes, idiots deliberately lighting fires for a bit of excitement. I even suspect climate alarmists doing it to prove a point.

The last thread I read on here about British weather was all about how cold it is, people have their heating on, and their oodies, people flocking to the beach because it actually reached 19 degrees the other day. It’s June for goodness sake, it should be warm, no wonder people can’t wait to jump on a plane and get a bit of sunshine.

Well, I’m off to the beach now. Got my water, my phone, my hat, my sunscreen and a good book.

oh and if the burger van is there today I might have a double decker, while it’s still allowed, before the climate zealots ban cows.

Oh it's a raving Dutton simp from Queensland, what a surprise.

This honestly sounds awful to me- 25 in the winter, no thanks! It is my turn to choose a holiday this year and it won’t be a holiday at 40, where last year, you can’t do anything for most of the day! I find it really boring but horses for courses and all that.

Nope, just me living my best life.

It was a series of unfortunate events. Whilst anyone could all end up in that position as none of us are infallible that we cannot rule it out. There's absolutely no point in ruminating over it.

That’s ok, enjoy your holiday.

This thread is beginning to feel like Covid all over again. The sniping at others for not hiding in their homes for 2 years and not wearing triple masks and hazmat suits 2 years later.

Some folks take more risks, some never take any. Both can be bad for you.

Realistically, and statistically, it is highly likely his widow will remarry in around 5 years.

I think what you've done is very sensible given that you hike alone. I don't hike alone but my DH and I have got lost when walking a few times with a couple of hairy situations. It's really easy to do. I also like watching/listening to "survival" programmes and podcasts where people have survived against the odds. One thing I've realised is how very easy it is to go from everything being fine and "safe" to "we're in a survival situation" in the blink of an eye. All you need is a fall, a change in weather, getting lost etc etc and suddenly you are in trouble. So I have considered getting something like the garmin for DH and I as the biggest issues often come from not being able to contact anyone for help and/or people not being able to find you. However we don't walk very often any more (due to my poor health) and thankfully Apple phones now have a way of using satellites in an emergency where there is no signal available.

Maybe you ought to get your relatives to listen to this podcast. Might make them rethink their weird attitude to you taking sensible precautions!...

https://music.amazon.co.uk/podcasts/226b18ec-31b0-49c2-8ab0-55021a8f025b/real-survival-stories?ref=dmshh_HCuYsZhRmsOG3cJ3Qj5wehkiq

This. All the people and resources looking for him. He went alone, without informing anyone and without basic kit ( look at his shoes, not for scrambling over rocks and stones), no water.

Such a sad thing to happen. I don't think it was stupid of him. He just went to walk back to his hotel with an umbrella for shade, appropriately dressed and probably stopped to drink water in the town.
It's not a big place so he likely thought it'd be a nice walk.
He walked a lot and took a keen interest in his health so would have felt fitter than many younger people.

I've been in 40 degrees heat abroad and to me in the shade it really doesn't feel unpleasant it is quite calming actually - unlike in British sun which a tiny glimpse of feels brutal to me!
He was just living life like we all do and a combination of factors led to his death- most things are half chance anyway.

I read about a couple that were killed by a lorry that slammed into them at a junction on a quiet road just because the driver was momentarily distracted looking at his satnav driving in an unfamiliar area. People love to judge as it brings comfort to know why it happened but in reality most people have done things they could easily have died from several times in their lives. I nearly got crashed into a lorry once for a split second decision but the other driver's reactions happened to be quick enough at that exact moment it avoided an accident.
I know of other deaths like slips in the shower which are unlucky but I've nearly done myself.
Had Michael been lost for five mins less he would have got to the hotel and it would have been a non-event. 💔
Yes don't be conoletely wreckless in life but know that more often than not people do survive masses of things anyway. He had good innings and a blessed life. He was one of the lucky and health conscious ones to live to his age though I wish he could have had the opportunity to say goodbye to his loved ones. It's mad to me that people are angry with him!!!
Maybe it was just "his time" anyway he may have passed away in England soon anyway if he had an underlying medical issue he didn't know about. My thoughts go to him and his family. I was a fan of all of his work. Such a lovely guy.

OP let me tell you something - I did get hit by a bus. Not literally, but a few years ago I was in an very unlikely accident that caused positional asphyxia and cardiac arrest, outside of a hospital setting. I died for 2 minutes. The reason I'm here typing this is that there happened to be paramedic closeby who gave me CPR and I was very close to a hospital.

I remember absolutley nothing about this. My memory skips directly from about 2 days before this, to waking up in ICU a few days later. I was in a coma for 2 days, but when I woke up, I was surpsingly well. Obviously very bruised etc but all vitals good and brain intact. From my perspective, it didn't happen. Its just a 'nothing' in my memory.

I used to be very scared of death. Not of dying, of death itself. But now I'm not. Because there's nothing to be scared of. When I die (for good), I won't be there. There will be no 'me' to be. I was quite disturbed for a few months after this happened, but now - I'm happier. I'm a happier person. I worry less. I quit a job I hated. I moved back to my favourite city. I enjoy my life. We truly do not know when our time is up. It could be today. It could be tomorrow. And it doesn't matter. All that matters is we make the best of the time we have. I think Dr. Mosely made a huge impact in the time he was here. He lived well, and we'll remember him as a good man. That's what counts. I just hope he didn' t suffer, or if he did, that it was quick.

Do you have the stats you mention?

I have to say I'm disgusted by the keyboard warrior attitudes and blame / unhelpful fingerpointing on here.

For those of us who have lost loved ones and have to live without them due to accidents, sudden death from heart attacks, other mishaps do you realise how vile and crass you sound?

Irregardless of his 1 mistake that cost him his life, he was a pretty amazing man. He helped me to lose a lot of weight after my first pregnancy, when I was obese.

It was through him that I learned about the Mediterranean diet and intermittent fasting.

Going to listen to his Just One Thing podcast now.