To find what’s happened to Michael Mosley quite anxiety provoking

[Glasto73lover]

It’s that idea of never really knowing what’s going to happen- the idea that we walk such a fine line in life. If you think too much about it, you probably wouldn’t leave the house.!

A close family member died suddenly and tragically a decade ago - literally dropped dead at home age 48 - something went pop in their head. So you genuinely don’t know when your time is up.

It’s that idea of a chain of consequence that can go so horribly wrong too- people always say ‘oh but you could get hit by a bus’ - stuff like this actually makes me really anxious. So many what ifs.

For Michael Moseley - a chain of probably inconsequential decisions may have led to his death- not having a phone on him, choosing to undertake a walk that in the U.K. is nothing but in that heat, was devastating and probably caused his death.

It makes me anxious that I won’t know if I am making those decisions - am I making sense? I think as I have got older, I have become more anxious and risk averse (thanks menopause) and as a result, you could end up not leaving the house. How do you choose a sensible approach? Not too much risk but some!

But I also want to live my life too!! I guess I find incidents like this quite difficult!

I guess always having a phone, not undertaking walks in intense heat in an unfamiliar place etc are the common sense points that will come out of this tragedy.

Aibu to find it anxiety provoking tho?!

People are entitled to feel anything they want to

My partner did a cycle event (Pyrenees) in 40' of heat, a guy in his 50s died, underlying heart condition.
Mr Moseley may have had similar or not.

Until there is a postmortem & further investigation, its all speculation, which MN is spectacularly good at.

They work for lots of people

Before mobile phones I told people exactly where I was going. He didn't.

If you ever watch programmes like Saving Lives at Sea, you can see how people can make decisions that can end up with them almost losing their lives.

People who go walking on beaches and then get cut off by the tide.
People who go paddleboarding in the sea and then get blown offshore - or go seakayaking and then don't have the right equipment if something goes wrong.

You never know what's going to happen but you can take some steps to reduce the chances of things going wrong.

I am desperately sad for him and his family.

I also think about the amazing life he led, all he accomplished, all the people that love him. It was a life well lived!

Dying unexpectedly doesn’t cause me anxiety, but I feel I haven’t accomplished what I should just yet, and that does worry me!

Some people might lose weight but that doesn't mean it improved their risk of diabetes or cardiovascular disease compared just reducing calories a bit and eating healthily every day. There has also been concern about fasting and eating disorders.

The route he took down from the hill looks daft. If you look at Google maps there is a path half way up the mountain from Pedi marina to Agia marina but he didn't take that but ended up in a pathless area. It sounds like he didn't intend to go to Agia marina anyway but to Symi which is west of Pedi Marina where as he walked east. He may have been a good presenter but setting out with no GPS watch or compass or map or phone for a hill walk on a hot day in an area he didn't know well when his navigational skills seem to have been poor was bizarre. I walk and cycle alone on holiday but not so poorly equipped. It was so unnecessary. That's what makes it frustrating.

it is when it’s reversing type 2 diabetes. Surely fasting is better than being obese? It’s just a method of weight management and it works well for many people, many people find they stick to it as it’s a couple of days a week. Fasting has known health benefits

He did a lot of other research and his ‘Just One Thing’ programmes were really good as well as his series on ageing. Many of them achievable for most people and many costing nothing.

Diet and lifestyle changes have always been first line treatment for people with type 2 diabetes. I know several people who "reversed" it by loosing weight and eating healthily. They didn't fast to do it.

People say he did medical training but he did a degree in PPE then a degree in medicine and he never worked as a doctor at all according to Wikepedia. He went straight from med school to media work which is fine but although he could call himself doctor he never even registered with the GMC.

Because be reminds everyone or their dad/brother/husband. Thinks they'll be fine, doesn't ask for directions and ploughs on regardless.
We all have a man like this in our lives!

As horrible as it is, his death could have been avoided. A series of very stupid decisions led to his demise so it’s not quite the same as comparing it to a dropping dead unexpectedly or a hit by a bus scenario. Very sad though.

He didnt remind me of anyone. I just liked him.

In all honesty, I find this incredibly boring and this is why I don’t like going to the Mediterranean for family holidays. Dd and I have Northern European complexions, I have Scandinavian heritage and I feel like we definitely can’t cope with 40 like my DH and DS. DS tan’s straight away never goes red and has brown blond hair so not really dark but even with 50 factor on, he only has to look at the sun (not literally) and will tan. Of course that doesn’t make him and DH immune from heat stroke or anything but DD and I literally cannot cope. It is no holiday weekend o me spending it inside with air con on.

From what I have just read, MM was found lying down flat in a position that you adopt when you feel faint. The report I read said he died of heat exhaustion not a heart attack.

I feel the same, op. Its quite unsettling to think that he was dead by 4pm but his wife had no idea. She would have been enjoying the holiday and planning the evening blissfully unaware.

I noticed they interviewed some Brits who were swimming and sunbathing near the sea about MM missing and I just thought, how do they do it, how is this bearable.

I’m not unsympathetic to people with eating disorders, they are hell. But it’s not a reason for people not to fast given the proven benefits of fasting for so many. Citing eating disorders also comes across to me as trying to find fault. I’m sure people have started reduced calorie diets and gone on to have an eating disorder also.

@LindaDawn I think all they have said so far is ‘natural causes’. They may not be able to establish the exact cause of death, but I expect it will be publicised if that information does come to light.

The long benefits of fasting versus just moderately reducing calories on a daily basis are not proven at all.

I heard someone once say “There’s no point suffering twice”, and that really stayed with me. If something bad happens, deal with it then - if you’re dead, you won’t care, if you’re not, part of life is dealing with those really difficult things. Maybe it won’t happen at all, and all you’ve done is ruined days or months being anxious unnecessarily.

I struggle to accept the knowledge that one day I’ll be truly dead forever, but I factually know I will and so will everyone I know. We can’t do much beyond the very basics about when we’ll die, so I just try to enjoy what I can and not invite in extra anxiety.

Good luck, OP.

I don't think he was deluded. What happened to him has nothing to do with nutrition or genes, it was a heatstroke after walking miles in 40 degrees. He made a mistake.

It’s made me think twice about walking lengths in the heat on holiday. I’ve probably walked way too far in the heat, I’m in my 30s but I don’t suppose age would save me from dehydration or becoming unwell.
I was also talking about MM with my dm who advised that she and df had once walked too far on the rocks in Tenerife in flip flops and she hurt her leg. I think it gave them a fright. I recall her telling me about this at the time.
I’m so sad for mm and his family rip