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Sunak isn't a very good politician

109 replies

Itllfalloff · 07/06/2024 10:02

YABU - he's great, I love him
YANBU - only an absolute IDIOT of a PM would have left the D-DAY remembrance early

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Ponoka7 · 07/06/2024 21:28

Nat6999 · 07/06/2024 16:11

What????? He wasn't intelligent enough to use an umbrella or the multi-million pound specially build media suite to announce the GE when it was raining.

They needed to move fast to knock Paula Vennells off the News.
I'm still unsure that he should have the power to remove the option of smoking. I know MN hates smoking but it's a massive civil liberty issue.

Itllfalloff · 07/06/2024 21:40

Hedgeoffressian · 07/06/2024 21:05

How convenient 🙄

It’s about how Sunak couldn’t be arsed to stay for the 80th anniversary service for D-Day. Think about that.
He left EARLY to go and do a tv interview.

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SocoBateVira · 07/06/2024 21:46

Itllfalloff · 07/06/2024 21:40

It’s about how Sunak couldn’t be arsed to stay for the 80th anniversary service for D-Day. Think about that.
He left EARLY to go and do a tv interview.

While Starmer had the wit to stay, be seen to show some respect and get photographed next to Zelenskyy. Because he's a better politician than Sunak.

TheShellBeach · 07/06/2024 21:49

SocoBateVira · 07/06/2024 21:46

While Starmer had the wit to stay, be seen to show some respect and get photographed next to Zelenskyy. Because he's a better politician than Sunak.

He's also a much more principled human being.

QueenBitch666 · 08/06/2024 03:05

Neither is Starmer. Our country is fucked if that's all we have to choose from

QueenBitch666 · 08/06/2024 03:07

IWantToBeASleepingCat · 07/06/2024 11:40

He's great.. l love him.
One of the most intelligent PM's we have ever had.

Irony surely...

AmpleFatball · 08/06/2024 04:23

He’s one of the least shit Tories, and head and shoulders above Boris or Truss.

That said, and even acknowledging that he never really had a hope and is in a difficult place not entirely of his own making…he’s making a right mess of his campaign.

Whenwillitgetwarm · 08/06/2024 04:48

Hedgeoffressian · 07/06/2024 21:08

The Yougov snap poll put Sunak ahead of Starmer after the first tv debate the other day, so plenty of people think he is a good politician.

Doffing caps and bowing and scraping for our betters are behaviours taught to the British from a young age. I’m sure if Sunak was white and had a double barrelled name, the figure in his favour would be even higher.

Him shouting over those who he deemed beneath him would have impressed quite a few viewers, who see that behaviour as a sign of leadership.

Also the Tories worked out that shouting simple data points sticks in heads e.g £350m for NHS during Brexit campaign.

By the time Sunak has screamed £2000 tax for a third time, I realised it was an attack line provided by his campaign team to stick in the heads of the electorate. He’s incapable of thinking on his feet, and he screamed it that many times, that it was clearly rehearsed.

Footnoteintime · 08/06/2024 05:38

He absolutely isn’t thinking sensibly on his feet you are right. If you need an adviser to tell you it’s pissing down outside and to to call an election indoors or use an umbrella, then there is a real problem with common sense and imagination . Again, if you didn’t think to respectfully mark such a significant occasion as a D-Day anniversary stuffed full of veterans, world leaders and royalty, then there’s an issue with prioritising, as well as genuine care about the sacrifice people were asked to make and the patriotism and sense of duty they displayed. Calling for National Service and then pissing off early from France, is beyond hypocritical and stupid. If he couldn’t see that a visiting to a Titanic Museum during electioneering also displays a remarkable lack of sense awareness and irony. Dear Lord he is utterly dense.

scalt · 08/06/2024 06:30

There are “good” politicians, and those who are good at playing the system.

Sunak might be “intelligent”, but I don’t think he understands the system very well, hence all the mistakes; and he will be annihilated sooner or later. Johnson and Blair on the other hand, knew exactly how to play the system to get what they wanted. That was how they were massive vote winners, and then did crap things at a time they knew they untouchable. Rabbit in headlights Truss didn’t wait to become “untouchable” before she did her mad things. The ones who make it to the untouchable stage then think they are God, which certainly happened with Johnson, who vowed to stay on for ten more years while Partygate castle burned to the ground around him.

Sunak never got anywhere as far this.

thefireplace · 08/06/2024 07:05

AmpleFatball · 08/06/2024 04:23

He’s one of the least shit Tories, and head and shoulders above Boris or Truss.

That said, and even acknowledging that he never really had a hope and is in a difficult place not entirely of his own making…he’s making a right mess of his campaign.

Is he really?

Eat out to help out, freezing tax thresholds for 5 years, Covid business loan fraud (10s of billions wasted) funding HS2 only to cancel it years later (as chancellor and chief sec to the treasury) he signed off the funding, thats £29 billion down the drain.
His National Service plan is a fucking joke, worthy of Truss, no thats insulting Liz, even she never came out with that gem.

He is a spoilt little brat, unfit for office, no one needs to be told "PM you should stay in France".... it should have been instinctive.

Gondoliere · 08/06/2024 07:17

Sunak has lately been a gift to Labour. It looks like he wants to loose the elections. However, Stamer would have to deal with the same treatment than Boris. He will not last. I am concerned that the hard left would take over.

RishiIsACuntWaffle · 08/06/2024 07:28

thefireplace · 08/06/2024 07:05

Is he really?

Eat out to help out, freezing tax thresholds for 5 years, Covid business loan fraud (10s of billions wasted) funding HS2 only to cancel it years later (as chancellor and chief sec to the treasury) he signed off the funding, thats £29 billion down the drain.
His National Service plan is a fucking joke, worthy of Truss, no thats insulting Liz, even she never came out with that gem.

He is a spoilt little brat, unfit for office, no one needs to be told "PM you should stay in France".... it should have been instinctive.

I have no idea how anyone thinks the tories have done a good job. Fucks sake.

AgentJohnson · 08/06/2024 07:39

I'm actually starting to feel (very very slightly) sorry for some of the conservative MPs that will lose their jobs due to Sunak's stupidity..

Sunak is to the Conservative Party what Phillip Green was to BHS.

When the Conservatives lose it won’t only be because of Rishi, actually he was the best of a very poor bunch. Remember Boris and Liz. He will get the blame for the sins of the rest. Do I feel sorry for him, hell nah. Any one who joins that party know their track record of leader cannibalism.

Zonder · 08/06/2024 08:15

I'm beginning to think the £2000 attack wasn't so stupid after all. Having seen a clip of Mordaunt doing the same thing last night, shouting it out despite Rayner and Husain rebutting it, I now think it was a smart move to stick a figure in people's minds. I've seen people on twitter repeating it despite all the efforts to disprove it.

Even Rishi repeated it after the debate last night on his twitter. Some people will insist it's true now.

Citrusandginger · 08/06/2024 10:10

AgentJohnson · 08/06/2024 07:39

I'm actually starting to feel (very very slightly) sorry for some of the conservative MPs that will lose their jobs due to Sunak's stupidity..

Sunak is to the Conservative Party what Phillip Green was to BHS.

When the Conservatives lose it won’t only be because of Rishi, actually he was the best of a very poor bunch. Remember Boris and Liz. He will get the blame for the sins of the rest. Do I feel sorry for him, hell nah. Any one who joins that party know their track record of leader cannibalism.

Just to clarify, I was thinking more of the MPs with modest majorities who still stood a chance of being returned until this debacle which will send wavering voters elsewhere.

But you are right, Sunak is the latest in a long line of incompetent Tory leaders.

CriticalThinker · 08/06/2024 10:15

No different to Boris, Truss, May etc etc… or any of the rest of them tbh. None of them are politically capable in any way. All of them self-serving.

ilovesooty · 08/06/2024 10:21

Zonder · 08/06/2024 08:15

I'm beginning to think the £2000 attack wasn't so stupid after all. Having seen a clip of Mordaunt doing the same thing last night, shouting it out despite Rayner and Husain rebutting it, I now think it was a smart move to stick a figure in people's minds. I've seen people on twitter repeating it despite all the efforts to disprove it.

Even Rishi repeated it after the debate last night on his twitter. Some people will insist it's true now.

The not very bright section of the electorate who believed the bus slogan during the Brexit campaign.

Alltheunreadbooks · 08/06/2024 10:30

QueenBitch666 · 08/06/2024 03:05

Neither is Starmer. Our country is fucked if that's all we have to choose from

This a riff, used mainly by the far right or militant Cobynistas, on 'They are all the same'.

They are not.

Starmer is an ideal centre left candidate who had held important positions in this country and performed them well.

Sunak can only dream of being as intelligent and capable as Starmer .

There is a world of difference between them.

Mercurial123 · 08/06/2024 10:43

Nancy1906 · 07/06/2024 10:14

And I suppose Keir is a brilliant one.
I absolutely love what he has done for this country.

It has to be ironic, right? Nobody could be that stupid?

Withswitch · 08/06/2024 10:44

Define 'good'. He's probably good at being a 'meh' figure who will say what they tell him to say.

User135644 · 08/06/2024 10:47

He's not a political at all. He's got no political nous or the charm of a populist like Farage or Johnson (I.e. the post truth politician).

He's a City trader and a banker, that's his smarts. Starmer is at least a shrewd politican.

Startingagainandagain · 08/06/2024 10:59

He is a typical example of someone who got where he is using family money and connections but who has no real ability or talent.

Just an entitled, useless and offensive little man with no sense of public service or respect for the majority of people in this country.

I am glad his appalling campaign is exposing him for who he really is. Everyday brings another error of judgement and sinks the Tories even lower...

VickyEadieofThigh · 08/06/2024 11:03

Here's why the D Day incident was so important.

The current Prime Minister left a ceremony at which the PM had to be present... to go and do an interview because he wants to be the PM again after the election.

He deliberately bunked off a crucial Prime Ministerial duty to do an interview about why he should be elected back into office as Prime Minister.

It's absolutely appalling.

Diefrausagtnein · 08/06/2024 11:06

Watching that Led by Donkeys thing on YouTube he was clearly ambitious and desperately wanted to work in banking and make a lot of money. He was even the head of the banker’s society at Uni where they played at making money on the stock market.
Why on earth he thought he would make a good MP and serve his country honourably, who knows. Might be conventionally intelligent but no emotional nous there at all.
Don’t know why Starmer gets so much stick. He’s pretty much a labour version of Cameron but less slick and upper class and more in tune with real life. He’s created a decent opposition party despite Labour being decimated at the last GE. Yes he’s a bit nasally, bland and stiff, not as fiery as folk would like, and has even changed his mind on policies. Can’t remember John Major who was equally as grey getting this amount of criticism.

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