It's a private school one.....

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Many threads on MN ... I want to know this: why haven't Labour given any info on their modelling of what will likely happen and the different scenarios that could play out when they impose VAT? It matters - because if they get thus wrong ... and a shed load of kids leave private because their families have scrimped to send them there ... the state sector in some councils will quickly be overwhelmed with kids needing state places that does not exist....which could be a lose lose for everyone! You don't build a new school and resource it in a month.... these things take years . I feel for all kids as they will all lose out if this happens and labour having got contingency in place.
How would you feel if your child is in a good state school , perhaps they get some SEND support...and suddenly there is an influx of private kids as they need the spaces. Class sizes go up to 40, all SEND provision gets cut as not enough funds, extra curricular gets cut and teachers are even more stressed, so the vicious circle if teacher shortages now intensifies....the spiral continues for years to come. Who has won?? No one ....
What are your thoughts on this ?
I don't disagree with the principle that private is a luxury and probably should pay VAT... what I disagree with is the notion you can just implement something that will fundamentally shift things on a seismic way in one big bang. No thought whatsoever. Tell me if you agree or have a different view and why ?

You clearly have loads of money too. So you can also afford another 20%

The poster is not in favour of adding VAT to school fees.

I was making the point to the thread more generally how annoying and ridiculous this attitude is. However, I can see how it looked like I was getting at Kinshipug. I apologise, Kinshipug.

I’ll be paying VAT on school fees too.

So why are you surprised that I'm wound up? I know it's silly to get wound up by strangers on the internet ...

Nope. I’ve reread my posts. Can’t see it? You’re going to have to explain.

I think there's been a misunderstanding. When I said 'This poster is a wind up' I meant the poster you had just quoted ('wombat'). I didn't mean your posts were a wind up.

@MyNameIsFine - DCs are and were in state school. What VAT do you want me to pay?
I don’t want to pay VAT on the music trust/conservatoire fees because at the moment all the surplus gets channelled towards extension/free lessons and choirs for traumatised kids/kids in care etc- it’s handled like the therapy dogs in our Borough. Local educational charities overlapping with mental health too.

I am against the VAT on private schools because I actually understand how education works on the ground. Where I live we do get loads of benefits from facilities and there are connections between state and private. I would like to see even more and partnerships at governing/management level, in particular. I think both sides could benefit.

I am also against the VAT because my DC happened to go to church schools and state grammar. And the type of thinking VAT on private school fees comes from - our state schools will be next! I am fundamentally opposed to an ideology telling me how to educate my own DCs. I know better, it should be resisted at all cost, on a fundamental level.

My original point was that all the posters saying other parents could easily afford the VAT and resenting all 'the fuss they're making' would be making a big fuss if they were asked to pay it!
I think we probably agree on this. I'm against taxing education on principle.

Many left leaning people use and value private education...look at the Labour MPs!

Also the argument "if you cannot afford the extra 20%, then you made a daft decsion as you never could/should have afforded it in the first place..." is a spurious argument.

You can use the same argument about mortgages...
"You could afford your mortgage at 2% but cannot at 5.5%!
Ha, you never could afford it in the first place. You made a daft decision, ha ha!"

“I find it quite interesting that many people think MN is a left leaning site”

Many of us are, but many are liberals as well so we call bullshit when we see it. Same applied to some elements of wokism- we called it out. We will not sign up to blind ideology without questioning. We are feminists, anti Brexit, anti bullshit. This policy is pure bullshit- private Schexit.

I will have to pay it and I am not making a fuss.
Nobody wants a 20% increase in anything they pay for but the drama over this is a bit over the top from both sides.
The scare mongering around an influx of Private School DC to State schools is probably unjustified but the glee that everyone will have to put up with the same shite schools is pretty unpleasant too.
(I know not all State schools are shite by the way)

It's a bad policy to tax education, and it's unlikely to be reversed. We'll be poorer as a country for it further down the line. So to the people saying 'I'm not complaining, I'm just going to pay it'. You ought to be complaining.

Mortgage interest is inherently variable over the life of a mortgage. One of the basic checks should be, "can I still afford this if rates increased to 10%"
This is (or should be) common sense.

It was even a standard warning scenario from our lender as part of our mortgage application.

Yes, I think mumsnet is more liberal than either left or right. Generally in favour of good public services, but understand that there's got to be sensible policies to pay for it, and a bit of give and take between tax payers and government, rather than dragging certain families down in the name of 'fairness'.

But did you plan for your mortgage to go up 10% and then 20% suddenly added? So 30%? And even if you can afford it, there are knock on effects in terms of your ability to contribute to the economy in other areas.

"It's a bad policy to tax education"

It's not a tax on education. It's a tax on luxury services.

And IMHO, Mumsnet is a largely right of centre site.

It's a tax on education. You might define education as a luxury service if it's done in smaller classes; but it's still a tax on education. Denying that is just silly.

The kids aren't getting their nails painted!

If is clearly a tax on education.

Not sure what luxury has to do with anything. VAT isn’t a tax on luxury.

You just be reading a parallel website or have got confused about your left and right.

"It's a bad policy to tax education"

And it's a bad taxation policy to have tax that looks like it will cost more to implement than it raises.

Unless of course your aim of the policy is to destroy a successful sector and disrupt the lives of children rather than to raise money. Most people recognise that this policy has absolutely nothing to do with raising money and everything to do with their ideological hatred towards the sector.

I can't see anywhere where I said you could easily afford a a 20% increase or were making a fuss about nothing etc. Perhaps read the posts properly before randomly accusing people of saying things they didn't say or of being a wind up.