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Should I report my neighbour for "man handling" his child?

107 replies

theneighbour · 05/06/2024 23:21

My Ring doorbell captured a neighbour aggressively grabbing his toddler's arm ( she looks about two years old) multiple times. She clearly did not want to walk, and attempted to sit down, at which point he kicked the back of her legs to keep her upright; the kick itself wouldn't have been hard to an adult, but would be for a toddler.

His DD ended up sat on the ground, he wrenched her arm to get her back on her feet a few more times, then hit her on the side of her head when she refused to stand. After that, he walked away leaving her on the ground crying.

He could have easily lifted her up, and carried her home, which is what I often had to resort to with my DS when he was having a tantrum, or just refusing to cooperate.

So, should I report this to social services, or is there another body I can speak to who might best advise me? Also, I'm uncertain as to whether there would be a data breach in sharing the doorbell footage with the relevant authority.

YABU - Mind your own business. He was probably having a bad day.
YANBU - Of course you report it. No harm done if SS deems he acted reasonably.

OP posts:
Rolomania · 06/06/2024 10:48

Maddy70 · 06/06/2024 10:42

Arent you lucky

Are you out right telling everyone on the internet you hit and kick your toddler?

WittyFatball · 06/06/2024 10:49

Maddy70 · 06/06/2024 10:42

Arent you lucky

You think I'm lucky for never hitting or kicking my children?

Katemax82 · 06/06/2024 11:48

iamtheblcksheep · 05/06/2024 23:24

I think unless you’ve seen this repeatedly you mind your own business.

It's obvious it's something this man is doing more than once

Motomum23 · 06/06/2024 12:01

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 06/06/2024 00:09

It does sound abusive but I'd be inclined to watch very closely and think it through. Are you 100% sure what you saw was unprovoked? I had to manhandle my DS1 frequently and was hit, scratched and kicked many a time, sometimes just to stop him running into traffic or to take him home after he refused. I'm sure from the wrong angle it could have looked like something else. If you are really sure it was a slap and kick not a defensive move then yes I think report.

A 2 year old child cannot PROVOKE child abuse. Ffs victim blaming at it absolute worst! No matter what buttons they push they do not deserve to be kicked and hit. An adult can easily pick a child up if it's being difficult and carry it home to tantrum at their own leisure.

TemuSpecialBuy · 06/06/2024 12:11

I've have "been there" in that I've had to wrestle a child into a car seat... ive also had to pick up a writhing kicking screaming toddler

I have not "been there" in that i have NEVER had cause to kick a child or hit my child on the head and if a neighbour witnessed my husband doing it i would
a. Want to know!!
b. WELCOME a social services visit.

Startingagainandagain · 06/06/2024 12:12

''@iamtheblcksheep

I think unless you’ve seen this repeatedly you mind your own business.''

Absolute nonsense.

It is never OK to hit a child over the head.

OP, report this.

CammyChameleon · 06/06/2024 12:18

This isn't "normal" manhandling of a child.

To be clear on what I mean, normal manhandling to me would be a yank out of the road (which may end up being rougher than you meant to be because holy shit they're in the road), or picking up and carrying a child who won't come with you, or blocking them from lashing out at another child etc.

Beautifulbythebay · 06/06/2024 12:23

If he treats his dc like that outside the home imagine what he does when nobody is watching? Police. The dm needs to be shown that footage... Not the same but I saw a man smacking his ddog whilst waiting for his dw to come out of the shop.. I told her. Didn't hang around for the aftermath.. Utter spineless cunts.

Marblessolveeverything · 06/06/2024 12:26

No day is ever bad enough to ever excuse abuse. Some of the responses on here explain why we keep having horrific outcomes. If you see it report it. Nobody ever has a right to assault a child the reasoning may determine support, education or prison. But fundamentally reporting could save a life.

WhatNoRaisins · 06/06/2024 12:26

With some things just once is too many times. How many times should he be allowed to hit this small child on the head?

HappyGoLucky96 · 06/06/2024 12:28

iamtheblcksheep · 05/06/2024 23:24

I think unless you’ve seen this repeatedly you mind your own business.

Are u for real he’s bullying a child and lifting he’s bloody hand to her the beast

LogicVoid · 06/06/2024 12:28

If he does this in public, what is he doing behind closed doors? Save footage, report.

IndecentPropolis · 06/06/2024 12:31

I question the parenting of those saying mind your own business. Of course you should report.

Redruby2020 · 06/06/2024 12:32

iamtheblcksheep · 05/06/2024 23:24

I think unless you’ve seen this repeatedly you mind your own business.

Really wow!
This is where society confuses me. Because there I have been, because of people's big noses worrying over my child yelling or being upset, that yes people do put their noses in.
Even over a child being upset that they can't have something they want.

But these kinds of things go on and people take a different view.

SpringerFall · 06/06/2024 12:32

Well pinning child down to clean teeth seems all the rage on here so no I would not report it

Redruby2020 · 06/06/2024 12:37

Anddddwhyshouldicare · 06/06/2024 07:25

Poor kid. I would definitely report, especially with the evidence that you have! That would hopefully mean that something will be done about it.

I've reported my neighbours more than once and fuck all seems to come of it. Constant shouting, screaming and swearing at the kids and right in their faces. I've seen them smack them and shove them over in the garden. Can hear thuds followed by kids crying through the walls. I know they're known to social services because they've had their 4 older children removed, but somehow been allowed to keep the 4 youngest children who are all under 5. The mind boggles. We're looking at moving because I just can't listen to it anymore, it's so upsetting.

I know people say how do you expect that to be controlled. But the thought of people losing 2/3/4 kids to the care system, and still able to go on to have more it's all very wrong.

I know of a situation like that. 3 removed and then had 3 more, and because of history those 3 are or were under child protection. And mum went and got pregnant again but lost the baby. Cruel as it might sound, it's like it was meant to happen.
Of course the men involved in making all these children are 100% responsible too.

Biffbaff · 06/06/2024 12:38

Why would it be a data breach to share the footage? It's your data.

And yes, obviously report this. That child is being abused. There should be a safeguarding branch of your local authority you can get in touch with.

Roundroundthegarden · 06/06/2024 12:40

iamtheblcksheep · 05/06/2024 23:24

I think unless you’ve seen this repeatedly you mind your own business.

Are you serious? Once is enough! Yes report op.

WittyFatball · 06/06/2024 12:40

SpringerFall · 06/06/2024 12:32

Well pinning child down to clean teeth seems all the rage on here so no I would not report it

If you can't see a difference between cleaning a child's teeth and hitting/kicking them, I worry for your children.

Jellybeanz456 · 06/06/2024 12:41

iamtheblcksheep · 05/06/2024 23:24

I think unless you’ve seen this repeatedly you mind your own business.

I think this is awful advice. Do you think it's ok to physically harm a child that can not defend themselves??

Rockschooldropout · 06/06/2024 12:41

There’s a bit difference to wrestling with a toddler in the throes of a full on paddy … to what I construe essentially assaulting a defenceless child ..
If you clapped an adult round the head you’d be up on an assault charge
it’s also incredibly dangerous to hit or slap children round the head .. please report this vile monster to the police ..
Ive had my fair share of testy moments in the last 33 years with my children but I’ve never assaulted them or deliberately inflicted harm on them

HappyGoLucky96 · 06/06/2024 12:42

Jellybeanz456 · 06/06/2024 12:41

I think this is awful advice. Do you think it's ok to physically harm a child that can not defend themselves??

Yes I stand with u on this one

Marblessolveeverything · 06/06/2024 12:43

SpringerFall · 06/06/2024 12:32

Well pinning child down to clean teeth seems all the rage on here so no I would not report it

You really are comparing restraint applied appropriately for health benefits to assault, including striking head and kicking? If so I do hope you are not a parent because that is actually kind blowing.

Conniebygaslight · 06/06/2024 12:43

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 06/06/2024 00:09

It does sound abusive but I'd be inclined to watch very closely and think it through. Are you 100% sure what you saw was unprovoked? I had to manhandle my DS1 frequently and was hit, scratched and kicked many a time, sometimes just to stop him running into traffic or to take him home after he refused. I'm sure from the wrong angle it could have looked like something else. If you are really sure it was a slap and kick not a defensive move then yes I think report.

Are you sure it was unprovoked...?!!
**he's a grown man hitting and kicking a 2 year old child!!!

SilentSilhouette · 06/06/2024 12:44

DS1 was unbelievably stubborn and used to arch his back so I couldn't do his car seat up. I used to have to put my knee onto his chest to push him down as I needed both hands to do the clips. And having to drag a toddler who won't walk by their arm or "flick" their legs out to make them sit is quite normal.

BUT... what you have described is beyond a parent battling a stubborn toddler! There is necessary force, then what you describe is excessive force, so I would absolutely report it.

It's better to report it and be wrong than not report it and be right.