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Mixed feelings towards friend - admiration/jealousy/frustration. AIBU to ask for advice?

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Acapulco12 · 31/05/2024 15:23

I went on holiday with a few friends a few weeks ago. We’ve known each other for a couple of years now and see each other every couple of months, and I liked them all beforehand, but the holiday showed me a different side to one of them in particular.

During and after the holiday, I realised I have quite mixed feelings and emotions about this friend. I really admire her, but don’t really like her as a person (and I don’t think she likes me much either). I just feel quite sad as well, because I doubt we’ll stay in touch, but I’m equally quite relieved that I probably won’t have to socialise much with her.

To give some background, my friend moved to the U.K. (where all 3 of us live) from Portugal around 10 years ago, basically with nothing.

She’d gone to uni in Portugal and decided to move to the U.K. for better job prospects. When she moved to the U.K., she started work in a coffee shop and then applied for jobs in government, which has led her to now have quite a prestigious job. I was so impressed by this, and yes quite jealous/envious.

Although she’s still quite junior in her role, her job is very prestigious and - more importantly - I’m sure she’ll learn a lot from it. She’s now fully settled in the U.K., with British citizenship, and has just bought a place with her partner.

Her life is quite hard in lots of ways e.g. her partner can be quite controlling and at times has been physically threatening towards her, her job is very stressful and demanding and she also has a long-term (minor) health condition.

Despite all of this, she’s continued to persevere and is doing very well. She is incredibly tough and resilient, and obviously a very hard worker. She’s also very intelligent, as she’s able to work out very quickly how to navigate situations (in work and life) and to understand what’s required of her (e.g. in stressful situations at work).

However, she is also quite impatient and direct, and can be quite self-absorbed (she barely asks anyone questions when with them and will very often just talk about herself and problems in her life).

I guess I’m asking how I can be more resilient and tough, like her? I’m proud of what I’ve achieved so far in life and I feel like I’m fairly resilient.

However, I’ve definitely had fewer challenges in life than she has (I didn’t have to move countries or learn a new language to have better economic prospects, for instance).

I think I feel ‘less than’ in comparison to her.I guess I feel a bit guilty that I haven’t needed to navigate as many challenges in my life. It’s a weird feeling, especially considering I don’t really know her that well - I know a lot more about her than she does about me, as she’s not really expressed any interest in my life at all.

Is there anything I can do to help with this feeling?

OP posts:
sl0th · 05/06/2024 03:03

I just found that really unpleasant and rude, and difficult to deal with because she’s never behaved that way to me before.

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You say there was a previous holiday you couldn't go on, did all 3 still go?

I'm wondering if she got used to having more of their attention then and perhaps felt resentful that she had to share on this holiday?

SpringerFall · 05/06/2024 04:21

I think you are spunding obsessed, maybe have a break he cant make you feel anything you are doing that to yourself, I say this as something to think about not to have a go
but you need to step back

Ejvd · 05/06/2024 12:47

It was not a bad decision to go on holiday with these women. You don't need to be longtime friends to have a great holiday with people. This had the potential to be a great hol. But some people are not compatible travel companions, even if they are compatible as friends at home. Maybe just a weekender next time to test the water.

It doesn't matter what her reasons were for her behaviour. I wouldn't have liked the treatment you described. Thank goodness she is easy to not have around in your life bringing you down. By acting like you are beneath her notice day after day, she's made you feel like you are beneath her. And now you're starting to believe it.

I wouldn't subject myself to the "friend" who ignores you again. Avoid her. But don't burn bridges in an obvious way. Be subtle as you cut them off. Best not make things irreversible in case you change your mind and want to see the other 2 in a few years after cooling off.

Ksqordssvimy · 05/06/2024 13:30

Think this is a bit weird. Can't see what she's done wrong. She's had a harder life than you, you're jealous of her: largely irrelevant but you are making it something. Did you talk to her? She's not the only one who can make an effort! She could probably sense your feelings if you felt strongly enough to post twice about it and thought "fuck it". You're being overly sensitive about the swimming etc. Sounds like you don't click. It happens. Don't think there's a need to make her out the baddie, don't know what you're expecting tbh.

RichTea90 · 05/06/2024 15:51

Yeah, it sounds a lot to me like you don’t click or you’re not compatible as friends. I am not sensing that you are gaining much from this friendship.

Perhaps you need to have a think about what it is you’d like from a friend / friendship. Think long and hard and decide whether you get most of that, if at all, from this friend. Otherwise I’d start focusing on building other friendships and spending time with people who make you feel happier

Ohnobackagain · 05/06/2024 19:08

@Acapulco12 are you the same person who posted about being away practising a language on holiday and one of the women was a bit off with you?

mcmooberry · 05/06/2024 19:31

I feel bad for you OP, that holiday sounds very disappointing, you were probably looking forward to going away with your new friendship group and then this uncomfortable time. I think you feel rejected by this woman and aren't actually jealous of her. She doesn't sound very nice, ignoring you the way she did and it seems that you adjusted your personality in some way and weren't genuinely yourself as a result. Someone who has no interest in getting to know you is never going to be a long term friend anyway. Maybe the trip you missed because of the funeral cemented the friendship of the other 3 women, who knows.
I would fade out of the group now, their loss.

GreekVases · 05/06/2024 19:43

Acapulco12 · 01/06/2024 15:04

Thank you! ❤️ That is very sweet of you to say and it means a lot. Generally I have very kind and tolerant people around me - family, friends, colleagues included. Given that, it was a bit of a shock to spend a week with her and the other two women, who were all much more direct and less supportive than what I’m used to.

I’m not at all saying that they owe it to me to behave in a particularly tolerant way, especially as they probably just wanted to enjoy being on holiday and to switch off and please themselves, which is of course absolutely fine. It’s just that I didn’t feel very included at all whilst I was with her and the other two women, and I wouldn’t treat others the way they treated me, so I felt uncomfortable and unhappy for a lot of the time I was on holiday with them.

The only bit that puzzles me is why you went on holiday with peiole you describe as ‘friends’ but don’t appear to know at all well…?

Did you post about this already, also? I have a memory of a thread describing what sounded like a broadly similar situation, an OP having gone on holiday with friends who were the same nationality (and not the same nationality as the OP, who struggled with language issues and their more direct cultural style)?

If so, this holiday is really taking up a lot of space in your head, OP.

GreekVases · 05/06/2024 19:44

Ohnobackagain · 05/06/2024 19:08

@Acapulco12 are you the same person who posted about being away practising a language on holiday and one of the women was a bit off with you?

X-post. I just recognised the situation too.

CyclingFairy · 05/06/2024 20:46

OP, did you try to make the effort to engage with her directly and warmly and she still froze you out? Or were you expecting her to make more of the effort? If so, why?

Acapulco12 · 06/06/2024 21:59

Ohnobackagain · 05/06/2024 19:08

@Acapulco12 are you the same person who posted about being away practising a language on holiday and one of the women was a bit off with you?

Yes I did (I’ve already mentioned that earlier in this thread).

OP posts:
Acapulco12 · 06/06/2024 22:03

sl0th · 05/06/2024 03:03

I just found that really unpleasant and rude, and difficult to deal with because she’s never behaved that way to me before.

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You say there was a previous holiday you couldn't go on, did all 3 still go?

I'm wondering if she got used to having more of their attention then and perhaps felt resentful that she had to share on this holiday?

Yes that could be it. Thanks.

OP posts:
Acapulco12 · 06/06/2024 22:11

CyclingFairy · 05/06/2024 20:46

OP, did you try to make the effort to engage with her directly and warmly and she still froze you out? Or were you expecting her to make more of the effort? If so, why?

Yes, I feel like I did make an effort with her. I felt like I was kind and caring towards her, and we had a good chat - me, her and another girl - on one of the nights, which I remember thinking was nice. I then felt quite sad and surprised that it felt to me like she still froze me out. I’ve come to terms with it now, and I accept we won’t have a friendship/connection, which I am absolutely fine with.

Because we went on holiday and we’d got on so well before the holiday (both her and me, and me and the other 2 women), I feel like I had every reason to think that the holiday would go well and that we’d all get on well.

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