... to be over the moon that Trump has been found GUILTY on all 34 charges?

[Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g]

Whoop whoop!

With DACA we're talking about a group of people who have found themselves in the situation they're in through absolutely no fault of their own. Many are people who are making a great contribution to society and as tax payers

You cannot incentivize this behavior. People will keep hopping the border with their children if they believe there is a chance they can stay.

absolutely destroying the lives of these people and tearing apart the lives of their children is morally acceptable for the sake of upholding US immigration policy. It's the lack of humanity in your response. It's so chilling

They are not asylum seekers and they are absolutely entitled to think they can stay. If their parents have not prepared them to go home at some point, how is it America’s fault?

It's so morally ugly

Why? They are not citizens nor on any sort of visa. Why should they be allowed to stay?

There are women living in the US who are on the absolute margins of society - women experiencing third world levels of poverty. Homeless women. Drug addicts. Severely mentally ill women. Creating barriers to accessing abortion (which is the purpose of all anti-choice legislation) is really problematic for the most disadvantaged women with the most chaotic lives. And making it legally perilous for clinicians to offer abortion in instances where continuing with a pregnancy puts a woman's mental and physical health, future fertility and sometimes her life, at risk is having a big impact on the provision of reproductive care generally - which affects the health and safety of all women, not just those in need of abortion. Suggest you read about maternity deserts and the role of anti-choice legislation in exacerbating this problem

I am in complete agreement with you and would support this … within my home state.

You're a climate change denialist?

No, climate change is happening. But we can build infrastructure to withstand the negative effects.

Btw fracking has led to the greatest drop in carbon emissions in the US, as natural gas has largely replaced coal in America. So fracking has actually been quite beneficial … the UK should try it (lol)

Republican rhetoric about immigration, mental illness and the criminal justice system

You say this but Democrats have never solved any of the above problems. They just make them
worse. Look at San Francisco, dropping billions into the homeless problem yet making it worse somehow.

The Supreme Court Justices were all specifically asked about Roe during their confirmations. They ALL stated that Roe was “settled precedent”. The minute they got a majority in the court, they voted the opposite to what they had said under oath during their confirmation hearings. This does not ethically sit well with me

It doesn't sit well with me either, @Chatonette, but it's worth remembering that six out of the nine Supreme Court justices are catholic, so is the way it turned out really any surprise?

@Bullpuckey

"You cannot incentivize this behavior. People will keep hopping the border with their children if they believe there is a chance they can stay."

So abject cruelty and a lack of humanity towards a group of people who are in no way responsible for the situation they find themselves in vis a vis their immigration status, is morally acceptable to you in furtherance of a country's aims to bring immigration under control?

Any limits to your cruelty?

What about deporting a dreamer who's going through cancer treatment? Or whose child is?

What about deporting a dreamer who's lived their whole life in the USA who has no family, friends or connections in their country of origin and no means of support there?

"They are not asylum seekers and they are absolutely entitled to think they can stay. If their parents have not prepared them to go home at some point, how is it America’s fault?"

Is this like the Israel situation? It's ok for Israel to kill 35K Palestinian children in pursuit of Hamas, because it's Hamas's fault?

The 'now look what you made me do' school of cruelty?

"Why? They are not citizens nor on any sort of visa. Why should they be allowed to stay?"

Because it's cruel to deport people who were bought to the US as infants and who know no other life.

Republicans are cruel people.

You're demonstrating that with your comments.

"You say this but Democrats have never solved any of the above problems. They just make them
worse. Look at San Francisco, dropping billions into the homeless problem yet making it worse somehow."

The shame of the vast number of people living in squalor and sickness on the margins of American society is the inevitable result of decades of neo-liberalism that started with Reagan and that have shaped economic policy on the centre and right of politics since then.

At least there are people on the left who have ideas for how to tackle this awfulness, even if they're politically unpopular on both the centre and the right. The right have no ideas. At all. Nothing.

So abject cruelty and a lack of humanity towards a group of people who are in no way responsible for the situation they find themselves in vis a vis their immigration status, is morally acceptable to you in furtherance of a country's aims to bring immigration under control

Why is it cruel? Their parents worked in the US illegally so they would have to prepare them to go back home someday. They are not entitled to stay—otherwise a lot of South Americans would try to do this. Are you saying this isn’t a problem?

What about deporting a dreamer who's lived their whole life in the USA who has no family, friends or connections in their country of origin and no means of support there?

They will have family back home. This isn’t the 1800s when people left and never contacted home again.

Is this like the Israel situation? It's ok for Israel to kill 35K Palestinian children in pursuit of Hamas, because it's Hamas's fault?

This is in no way like the Gazan situation. Gazans crossed no borders—if anything, Israeli settlers (ie illegal immigrants) came without permission and screwed everything up.

Because it's cruel to deport people who were bought to the US as infants and who know no other life

I disagree. Their parents cheated the system—their children should blame their own parents for the situation they are in. They are just being sent back to their home countries! It’s not like some sort of gulag ffs.

If Britain fell into abject poverty (which, let’s be honest, could actually happen irl), would you feel so entitled to move to America without permission?

At least there are people on the left who have ideas for how to tackle this awfulness, even if they're politically unpopular on both the centre and the right

Their ideas have been in practice in for quite some time in Democrat enclaves. They’ve fixed nothing but only spread dysfunction. NGOs just waste taxpayer money on unproven ideas that actually have made things worse, from the homeless problem to public schools to crime. All they touch turns to shit.

"Why is it cruel? Their parents worked in the US illegally so they would have to prepare them to go back home someday. They are not entitled to stay—otherwise a lot of South Americans would try to do this. Are you saying this isn’t a problem?"

Why is it cruel to take a person who has only known the USA as their home, and to force them to leave their jobs, their homes, their children, to go to a country where they may not know anyone or have any support? You're genuinely asking me that question?

"Their parents cheated the system—their children should blame their own parents for the situation they are in. They are just being sent back to their home countries! It’s not like some sort of gulag ffs."

People usually leave everything they know to come with their children to another country out of desperation, because they usually feel they cannot be safe or sustain a decent existence in their home country. You would do EXACTLY the same in their situation. Most of us would.

'It's not some sort of gulag ffs' - if you've lived in the US since early childhood or infancy and you're now an adult in the US, with a job and a family, being sent to a country you may have no memory of, where you have no job, no home, no community, maybe no family - it would be terrifying and appalling. I know it's hard for Republicans to empathise but just try to imagine it for a minute.

"If Britain fell into abject poverty (which, let’s be honest, could actually happen irl), would you feel so entitled to move to America without permission?"

If I felt that my children couldn't access education or healthcare, or even live in basic safety - were looking at an early death or a life of utter degradation in my home country, then yes, I would bloody try to find a way to leave - legally if possible, illegally if not. Millions of people around the world are going through this right now, and all I can assume is that as a Republican, and maybe as someone who's lived a life of privilege you're completely unable to imagine the desperation of some people's existence.

"Their ideas have been in practice in for quite some time in Democrat enclaves. They’ve fixed nothing but only spread dysfunction. NGOs just waste taxpayer money on unproven ideas that actually have made things worse, from the homeless problem to public schools to crime. All they touch turns to shit."

The states with the absolute worst public schools - almost all of them red states.

'All they touch turns to shit' - I assume you're talking about harm reduction policies, which are now being walked back in many Democratic areas, even though outside the US harm reduction policies.

Trump didn't exactly have a sparkling record on tackling drug deaths and homelessness did he? Opioid deaths SOARED during his presidency and homelessness increased year on year.

Anyway, what ideas have Republicans got for addressing America's housing and drugs crises? Gassing homeless people? Concentration camps?

Do say.

Why is it cruel to take a person who has only known the USA as their home, and to force them to leave their jobs, their homes, their children, to go to a country where they may not know anyone or have any support? You're genuinely asking me that question?

Yes. Because people do this all the time. Nobody would say you are cruel if you moved your kids to Japan for
economic opportunity, uprooting them from their home. They are simply moving back to their home country, where they have extended families.

People usually leave everything they know to come with their children to another country out of desperation, because they usually feel they cannot be safe or sustain a decent existence in their home country. You would do EXACTLY the same in their situation. Most of us would

So basically you feel borders are meaningless and you can just cross borders without permission to upgrade your life, if you can manage it. This is your belief? You think elderly Brits should be able to squat in Spain without permission from the locals and take advantage of their medical system and screw up the local housing market? Shouldn’t Spain be able to throw those British out?

'It's not some sort of gulag ffs' - if you've lived in the US since early childhood or infancy and you're now an adult in the US, with a job and a family, being sent to a country you may have no memory of, where you have no job, no home, no community, maybe no family - it would be terrifying and appalling. I know it's hard for Republicans to empathise but just try to imagine it for a minute

I haven’t lived in America for many years and my children have never lived there. So I do understand it would be difficult BUT the fault is of their parents for putting them in that situation.

Again, it will be their home country. Not a gulag. Not an active war zone. Their home country, where they speak the language and they have extended family.

If I felt that my children couldn't access education or healthcare, or even live in basic safety - were looking at an early death or a life of utter degradation in my home country, then yes, I would bloody try to find a way to leave - legally if possible, illegally if not

You don’t care at all about the locals who have to pay for you? Whose own children now face worse prospects for education, healthcare, employment, housing? Particularly if there is no way to stop millions like you flooding the system? This is okay with you?

Millions of people around the world are going through this right now, and all I can assume is that as a Republican, and maybe as someone who's lived a life of privilege you're completely unable to imagine the desperation of some people's existence

I have lived in a third world country so know something of what life is like in such a place. Have you? It seems you base it all on a thought exercise? Tell me your experience?

The states with the absolute worst public schools - almost all of them red states

You don’t know the first thing about red vs blue states and this comment shows. The worst results are in deep blue urban cities.

Trump didn't exactly have a sparkling record on tackling drug deaths and homelessness did he? Opioid deaths SOARED during his presidency and homelessness increased year on year

I beg you to understand the implications of our federal system.

Anyway, what ideas have Republicans got for addressing America's housing and drugs crises? Gassing homeless people? Concentration camps?

Shall I invoke Godwin’s Law here?

@Bullpuckey "Yes. Because people do this all the time. Nobody would say you are cruel if you moved your kids to Japan for
economic opportunity, uprooting them from their home. They are simply moving back to their home country, where they have extended families."

The absolute stupidity of this comment.... You're arguing that it would be exactly the same for someone who entered the US as an adult, to CHOOSE to take their children back to their home country, where they have access to a support network, healthcare and housing, as it is for an adult who's grown up in the US under DACA, to be forced out of their job and their home, to be separated from family and friends in the US, and to be deported back to a country they haven't visited since leaving as an infant or young child, a country possibly with a collapsing economy and infrastructure, where they may have no support network, no material assets, no or limited access to housing or healthcare, and be left there - jobless. Possibly homeless. Separated from all of their family and friends in the US.

You're really not covering yourself with glory here.

"I have lived in a third world country so know something of what life is like in such a place. Have you? It seems you base it all on a thought exercise? Tell me your experience?"

Most people don't use the term 'third world' any more. But it's common parlance among elderly right wing Americans who like to refer to countries with less developed economies and more poverty as 'shit hole countries', like their cult leader does. I've lived in India, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Kenya and the USA. I'm currently living in London.

"You don’t care at all about the locals who have to pay for you? Whose own children now face worse prospects for education, healthcare, employment, housing? Particularly if there is no way to stop millions like you flooding the system? This is okay with you?"

You can make the argument for immigration control without advocating for dehumanising treatment or abject cruelty towards those who aren't responsible for breaching immigration rules, who are deeply enmeshed in US society and making a positive contribution to their communities.

"You don’t know the first thing about red vs blue states and this comment shows. The worst results are in deep blue urban cities."

By every metric red states have worse education and health outcomes than blue states. That's what the data says.

"Anyway, what ideas have Republicans got for addressing America's housing and drugs crises? Gassing homeless people? Concentration camps?

Shall I invoke Godwin’s Law here?"

Your mango Messiah has made speeches calling for shop lifters to be shot on sight. Is openly planning for an aggressive expansion of his powers as president if he wins in November.

But please - go ahead and detail Republican plans for addressing growing homelessness and rates of addiction.

@izimbra
@Chatonette

I'd strongly advise you to stop wasting your time engaging with that poster. It's banging your head against a wall. As soon as they trot out the phrase 'Democrat cities' you know what you're dealing with.

There's no convincing or engaging in dialogue that will be constructive with her (making an assumption). All the information she needs is out there, she either doesn't care (the cruelty is the point) or chooses not to believe it, as she chooses to believe Plan B will remain readily available. She'll vote how she'll vote.

Make the healthy choice for yourselves and step away.

The absolute stupidity of this comment.... You're arguing that it would be exactly the same for someone who entered the US as an adult, to CHOOSE to take their children back to their home country, where they have access to a support network, healthcare and housing, as it is for an adult who's grown up in the US under DACA, to be forced out of their job and their home, to be separated from family and friends in the US, and to be deported back to a country they haven't visited since leaving as an infant or young child, a country possibly with a collapsing economy and infrastructure, where they may have no support network, no material assets, no or limited access to housing or healthcare, and be left there - jobless. Possibly homeless. Separated from all of their family and friends in the US

The point is that parents need to prepare their children to re-enter their home countries. They know they could be caught one day, and they need to prepare accordingly. They cannot all stay. There are at least 11 MILLION illegal immigrants. They cannot all stay. They must be encouraged back at first (I would pay them to leave tbh) and deported if that will not work.

All emigrants even on temporary visas know this, they could be laid off from their job and have to leave within a set period of time.

If you did not prepare your child accordingly, how is it the fault of America? You make huge leaps in saying that they do not have support networks at home: they in fact very often do maintain links at home, remittances are going to these extended families.

Most people don't use the term 'third world' any more. But it's common parlance among elderly right wing Americans who like to refer to countries with less developed economies and more poverty as 'shit hole countries', like their cult leader does. I've lived in India, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Kenya and the USA. I'm currently living in London

I have no time for your tone policing. If you have lived in South Asia and Kenya, you know it is not a nightmare to live in such countries. They are not active war zones, we are talking about economic migrants and their children.

You can make the argument for immigration control without advocating for dehumanising treatment or abject cruelty towards those who aren't responsible for breaching immigration rules, who are deeply enmeshed in US society and making a positive contribution to their communities

Deportation is normal. I have known families given a week’s notice to vacate (due to a child’s drug use, perhaps you’d know which country this may be) and tbh whilst it was difficult for them, that is the rules of the country they resided in. If you break the rules of the country (or you have no status due to your parent’s actions), you have no right to stay.

By every metric red states have worse education and health outcomes than blue states. That's what the data says

I won’t waste time on this as you won’t be ready to accept it. But people are moving with their feet: away from New York and California and moving to Florida, Texas, Georgia. Look at the data if you don’t believe me.

Your mango Messiah has made speeches calling for shop lifters to be shot on sight

Looting during riots is very different than ‘shoplifting’. Very deceptive language.

But please - go ahead and detail Republican plans for addressing growing homelessness and rates of addiction

Homelessness is not a federal issue. But opioid addiction can be helped with job growth in the rust belt (where it is the worst), incarceration of dealers (something never proposed by Democrats) and yes, better border control.

But harm reduction (as you seem to be aware) is the worst idea and is propagated at the State level by naive blue governors.

Is on a thread about Trump yet doesn’t want to hear why someone (a former Democrat even!) would choose to vote for him.

…. many such cases

@Bullpuckey "The point is that parents need to prepare their children to re-enter their home countries. They know they could be caught one day, and they need to prepare accordingly. They cannot all stay. There are at least 11 MILLION illegal immigrants. They cannot all stay. They must be encouraged back at first (I would pay them to leave tbh) and deported if that will not work."

I'm wondering what it is about the USA that makes it unable to accommodate tax paying DACA who've lived almost their whole life in the USA, and may have children and spouses who are American citizens? Including DACA recipients who run businesses employing other people?

Are you expecting the economy and infrastructure to collapse when Trump gets in (as he's likely to do) in November?

Because the US has one of the highest GDP's per capita in the world, a population density 1/3 of the UK's, and a falling birth rate.

Why do you have such a sense of crisis that you think abject cruelty towards DACA recipients is absolutely vital to the wellbeing of your country?

"If you did not prepare your child accordingly, how is it the fault of America?"

Out of interest, let's say a parent brings a baby across the border from Mexico, after having been threatened by gangs and losing relatives to gang related violence in Mexico city. And 25 years later that baby is now a young woman, protected under DACA, with a job, an American spouse and a baby that's an American citizen. How as a parent would you have 'prepared' that young woman for the prospect of being summarily deported back to a country she has no memory of? Where rates of femicide and rape are some of the worst in the world. What would you have told her as a child and a teen that wouldn't have resulted in her losing her mind at the fear of that prospect?

"Looting during riots is very different than ‘shoplifting’. Very deceptive language."

Looting is just shop lifting in large groups during a time of social chaos. Even if it involves damage to property and theft it's still absolutely vile and fascistic to suggest they should be shot on sight.

"But opioid addiction can be helped with job growth in the rust belt (where it is the worst),"

I feel like you understand absolutely nothing about drug addiction. Many addicts were working when they became addicted, and only became unable to work in the later stages of their addiction.

"But harm reduction (as you seem to be aware) is the worst idea and is propagated at the State level by naive blue governors."

Except harm reduction policies have been effective at reducing deaths in some countries, so insisting 'it's the worst idea' suggests to me it's a topic you've done very little exploration of the evidence around public health strategies for addressing the harms of substance abuse outside of listening to whatever anyone in your right wing bubble has to say about it. Really suggest you listen to people who are actually working on the frontline of the epidemic - this series of episodes on Freakonomics might give you better and less partisan insight into the issue.

https://freakonomics.com/podcast/thinking-differently-about-opioid-addiction/

I stopped wanting to hear from Trump voters after Jan 6.

We know it was his plan (courtesy of Brannon’s leaked audio recordings) to claim he had won even if we knew he had lost. That’s exactly what came to pass.

He tried to overthrow Democracy and was willing to use or leverage violence to do so.

In the immediate aftermath of Jan 6, everyone knew it was appalling- but then the spin and lies got going again in order to deny or justify it.

Post Jan 6, his voters are either those who are entirely brainwashed (and the right wing propaganda machine is very powerful and entrenched in the US) or people who do not support (and are entirely willing to throw out) the basic principles of democracy.

There’s, sadly, no getting through to the former. The latter are detestable and dangerous. The fact that a speaker at CPAC drew applause when talking about how the Conservative movement was going to end democracy and replace it with a religious theocracy is just staggering to me. They are, very openly, calling for the constitution to be ripped up and have the US completely reimagined as something closer to Iran (but Christian).

And if America falls, I think other democracies are on borrowed time.

Beautifully expressed, @AmpleFatball. Spot on.

Exactly.

I didn't say that. I said there was no point in engaging with you in a way intended to get you to change your opinions.

As soon as you trotted out 'Democrat cities', it told me all I need to know about what media you consume and what you believe. But then, if you are, in fact, a former Democrat, you know that. Unless you're as uninformed about that as you are to future access to Plan B under a Trump admin?

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/01/democrat-party-republican-insult.html

@AmpleFatball

Yes!

@AmpleFatball "And if America falls, I think other democracies are on borrowed time."

Not least of all because of Trump's climate change denialism and plans to ramp up the use of fossil fuels.

We're all going to be fucked.

It will increase his support.

The climate change denialism and the being in hock to the fossil fuels lobby? Yes, you're right.

It's making me scared for my children's future.

I'm wondering what it is about the USA that makes it unable to accommodate tax paying DACA who've lived almost their whole life in the USA

I think it would be fair to give them back the taxes they have given. It is a nice lump sum to start a new life in their home country. I know many countries will reimburse, say, pension contributions to migrants upon their return home.

may have children and spouses who are American citizens?

Children can sponsor when they are adults and spouses can sponsor as well, although I am not sure of the process.

Including DACA recipients who run businesses employing other people?

You can run an American business from abroad, if you incorporate it properly.

Are you expecting the economy and infrastructure to collapse when Trump gets in (as he's likely to do) in November?

I am expecting things to get better because the economy was in great shape during the Trump years.

Why do you have such a sense of crisis that you think abject cruelty towards DACA recipients is absolutely vital to the wellbeing of your country

I fundamentally disagree with you. It’s not cruel to send people back to their home country.

Also? Gang-related violence in Mexico City? Tells me you know nothing about the South and Central American situation. In any case, migrants will tell you straight up (before coached by NGOs) that they are there to work and make money. Otherwise they wouldn’t bother to come.

Looting is just shop lifting in large groups during a time of social chaos. Even if it involves damage to property and theft it's still absolutely vile and fascistic to suggest they should be shot on sight

Looting during riots is not shoplifting. You were being very deceptive referring to it merely as shoplifting as if we are shooting people for sticking a packet of chips in their backpacks. People can die during this kind of chaos and it’s not always the looters ..:

Except harm reduction policies have been effective at reducing deaths in some countries

But not how California is doing it. Harm reduction in the Portuguese sense was successful but the American version has been a complete failure.

Unless you're as uninformed about that as you are to future access to Plan B under a Trump admin?

Where is the source on this? Plan B is OTC everywhere in America.

Also, it is not even an issue for the ‘Trump admin’ as this is a state issue anyway and no legislature has voted to ban their availability OTC. I am happy to see any info you have on this tho if you can prove Louisiana was proposing this beyond ‘single politician talked about this once and it didn’t even make it to committee’

American fracking has led to a decline in carbon emissions, as cleaner burning natural gas replaced coal. Also has the happy effect of disentangling us from the Gulf.

Tbh the UK should be fracking too. But you won’t.

Goodness, you're either a disingenuous person or not very smart.

Trump has literally said (source: I read the interview. It was everywhere) that he was ok with states monitoring women's pregnancies.

The Republicans shelved a bill to protect women's menstrual data from search warrants.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/va-republicans-shelve-bill-protect-menstrual-data-search-warrants-rcna71167

This information on threats to birth control is everywhere. The information is as readily available as Plan B is (currently). Plan B keeps a fertilised egg from implanting as does an IUD. It's as safe under a Republican administration, as much 'settled law', as abortion was.

Just this week, the Republicans did this
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-block-bill-protect-americans-access-contraception-rcna155448

Ok, done engaging with you. As I said before, it's pointless. You're going to do and believe what you want to do and believe. Not worth my time.

By the way, you might want to spend a few minutes googling the main source of guns supplied to Mexico... When you have time, of course, between Mega talking points.

Trump has literally said (source: I read the interview. It was everywhere) that he was ok with states monitoring women's pregnancies

Source: I made it up.

Here is what that was actually all about: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2024/05/03/trump-abortion-monitoring-time-fact-check/73544833007/

The Republicans shelved a bill to protect women's menstrual data from search warrants

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/va-republicans-shelve-bill-protect-menstrual-data-search-warrants-rcna71167

Here are the pertinent parts of the article you linked:

Youngkin spokeswoman Macaulay Porter said: “Given that this in-state data collection is already legal in all 50 states, Democrats are deliberately distorting the bill. The damaging bill would have limited search warrant abilities for the first time in Virginia

Virginia's Republican Attorney General, Jason Miyares, has said that he opposes prosecuting people who seek or obtain abortions, the Associated Press reported

This information on threats to birth control is everywhere

Give me an actual thing that is happened, instead of distortions and misinformation, or just something some moron said in a statement and never made it out of committee.

Plan B keeps a fertilised egg from implanting as does an IUD … It's as safe under a Republican administration, as much 'settled law', as abortion was

And yet both items are readily accessible in states with total abortion bans and no serious legislation has tried to ban these.

Just this week, the Republicans did thishttps://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-block-bill-protect-americans-access-contraception-rcna155448

Again, I beg you to understand our federal system. Nowhere is contraception banned. Nowhere is any legislation being brought out for a vote to ban contraceptives.

And you accuse Republicans of trading on misinformation. You do plenty of distortions yourself.

@Bullpuckey

"I'm wondering what it is about the USA that makes it unable to accommodate tax paying DACA who've lived almost their whole life in the USA

"I think it would be fair to give them back the taxes they have given"

So no answer to why the USA - with its low population density and high GDP is simply unable to accommodate working adults under DACA who've lived practically their whole lives in the country and are deeply enmeshed in their communities, including those whose spouses and children are US citizens?

Can you have another go at explaining?

"I fundamentally disagree with you. It’s not cruel to send people back to their home country."

You don't think it's cruel to take someone who's got no memory of having lived in their birth country, who has likely never visited that country since they left as children or babies, to forcibly remove them from their home and family in the US and send them to live in this place they don't know?

Do you think you clack empathy and emotional intelligence because you're a Republican? So you need to find a way of mentally accommodating and justifying cruelty in order to continue to support the politics of the party you vote for? Or you've developed into a hard hearted person as you've got older and that's what's drawn you towards the Republican party?

"Looting during riots is not shoplifting. You were being very deceptive referring to it merely as shoplifting as if we are shooting people for sticking a packet of chips in their backpacks. People can die during this kind of chaos and it’s not always the looters ..:"

Looting is opportunistic shoplifting during a riot.

Now you're justifying the police shooting people who are engaging in this. Presumably you also think the police should have opened fire on people during the January 6th riots? We've all seen the videos of the crowds of Trump supporters trying to bust through doors looking for Nancy Pelosi and other politicians. Should the police have just killed these people? or are the lives of democrat politicians less important than the groceries and trainers that looters took from shops during the riots?

FWIW - I live in London and there were riots here in 2011 less than a mile from my home, which involved arson and looting. It wouldn't have occurred to anyone here to kill looters on sight, and no political leader would have suggested it. Because we reject extremism in our mainstream politics in the UK. Republicans don't.