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... to be over the moon that Trump has been found GUILTY on all 34 charges?

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 30/05/2024 22:11

Whoop whoop!

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JudgeJ · 31/05/2024 06:14

Whu · 30/05/2024 22:14

Delighted! Now, will it stop him winning the election? Could the US have a jailed president!

They could reimagine The West Wing! Can't think that Jeb would be jailed, the greatest Pres they never had!

DanielGault · 31/05/2024 06:15

JudgeJ · 31/05/2024 06:14

They could reimagine The West Wing! Can't think that Jeb would be jailed, the greatest Pres they never had!

Jed would have taken it in his stride, like the complete gentleman he was 🥰

Delphinium20 · 31/05/2024 06:23

I'm an American and all I can say is WELL DONE to our legal system! 12 ordinary people just proved, once again, that no one is above the law. Trump may want to be a dictator, but those sensible New Yorkers aren't having it.

JudgeJ · 31/05/2024 06:23

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 30/05/2024 22:33

The riot at the Capitol should have been the end of him. I don't understand how he escaped prosecution for inciting the insurrection, and I don't understand how his core supporters didn't see through him for not turning up in person and leading the charge.

For his 'core supporters ' the invasion of the Capitol' was not wrong, talking to people in middle America can be very disturbing, there is a very Wild West mentality. What we get on TV is usually East and West coast but there's a lot we rarely see and that's the Trump powerbase. I predict he will incite even more violence about this verdict, Goethe jurors are being protected.

JudgeJ · 31/05/2024 06:25

Goethe??? Hope the

DanielGault · 31/05/2024 06:25

Delphinium20 · 31/05/2024 06:23

I'm an American and all I can say is WELL DONE to our legal system! 12 ordinary people just proved, once again, that no one is above the law. Trump may want to be a dictator, but those sensible New Yorkers aren't having it.

Do you think think they'll suffer for it/ get found out?

Delphinium20 · 31/05/2024 06:35

DanielGault · 31/05/2024 06:25

Do you think think they'll suffer for it/ get found out?

I do worry about one of Trump's deranged fans going after a juror, more likely the judge.

DanielGault · 31/05/2024 06:39

Delphinium20 · 31/05/2024 06:35

I do worry about one of Trump's deranged fans going after a juror, more likely the judge.

There seems to be a lot less of them now at least. Less of the Jan 6 mentality. I do hope they're all looked after though.

itsgettingweird · 31/05/2024 06:43

AliceKyteler · 30/05/2024 22:30

Trouble is, this is all still proving his "importance" in the world .
He's a narcissist (obviously) and all this will do is make him feel even more important and even more dangerous and I do suspect he will still get elected.
The only good thing is the Libertarians booed him off stage. Many of them would have been his core voters so I'm glad they have seen through him.
Still though he will stoke the fire, manipulate his supporters and feed into their fears into thinking this ruling means "they'" will be after them as well.

Sad but true.

It'll reaffirm to himself that people think he's so god like they need him out of the way.

DomPom47 · 31/05/2024 06:44

Doesn’t mean a thing. Amongst his supporters this guilty verdict works to his narrative that the establishment don’t like him and ergo don’t like his supporters and he is the saviour of the US.
He will appeal and win. Come the elections Biden is not going to win. Hopefully things will come down in the Middle East before a change of US government but I doubt that very much.

JudgeJ · 31/05/2024 06:49

Naran · 31/05/2024 01:07

yabu to be over the moon. Why are you over the moon if he can still stand?

Of course it was right for him to be found guilty. I certainly won’t dispute that he’s guilty of this stuff and a load of far more serious stuff.

but the real problem is that America seems to be facing another election between trump and Biden and both are bloody senile. I can’t understand how such a shocking shit show can be allowed. It’s so dangerous for the whole world.

If he's elected then in 4.5 years time he could pardon himself on his last day in office 20 January 2029!

CMMM · 31/05/2024 06:51

HarryPottersScar · 30/05/2024 22:24

If he does become president, can he pardon himself?

Thats apparently technically possible. So the plan will be to leave his appeal as late as possible, win the election (whilst I hate him I think he’s got a good chance) and then pardon himself, thereby completing a full circle.
Everytime I dispair about politics in the UK I just look at the U.S. and remember that some countries are even worse messes!

cerisepanther73 · 31/05/2024 06:53

@Arlanymor

L.o.l 🤣 😂😅 whooped shouted out "quite right arsehole " and someone a passerby heard you outside your window etc,

Hereyoume · 31/05/2024 06:57

The sentence he will get will be very lenient. It's highly unlikely he will go to prison, and if he does, he will be in a cushy place, far away from any dangerous individuals, and even then it would only be for a few months.

This verdict will actually make him more popular. His supporters will be out in force.

Talk about an own goal.

Their attempts to destroy him have just made him stronger.

Oaktree55 · 31/05/2024 07:00

It’ll just help him in his run for president.

WittyMcAdder · 31/05/2024 07:02

It's genuinely surprised me - I didn't have much hope on such a verdict and assumed we'd get a hung verdict.

Even more so when you consider all jurors had to find him guilty to avoid a hung verdict and one of them said they only got their news from X and Truth Social.

SinnerBoy · 31/05/2024 07:09

lovelysoap · Today 01:17

I think the conviction is flimsy and will be overturned on appeal. It looks like foul play by the democrats due to the timing...

What makes you think it's flimsy? The DA's office collected and sifted evidence, then presented it to a grand jury, which concluded that charges were justified. They had to present their evidence to a judge at preliminary hearings and the judge approved it.

Trump tried to have 60 alleged election fraud cases heard, in different states, but failed because "I have heard," and "A lot of people are saying," do not constitute evidence. Sydney Powell and other Trump lawyers were sanctioned for wasting court time, fined and made to write letters of apology.

He also leant on judges personally, to try to get them to approve cases against his enemies, even commenting, "She's ungrateful and disloyal, I gave her the job!" He misunderstood the separation of the judiciary and Government, assuming that they were simply a weapon in his personal arsenal.

What makes you think that Biden, or the Democratic Party would be able to influence judges? Trump certainly couldn't.

Also, if the charges were flimsy, his lawyers could have appealed to a higher court, to get the case dismissed. They didn't, because they didn't have a leg to stand on. There was a wealth of evidence, including cheques and instructions, with his signature on them.

It was a whole lot more than Stormy Daniels and Cohen bad-mouthing him for revenge. He channelled the hush money through Cohen and entered them into his business records as legitimate legal advice, writing them off against tax.

The conviction seems solid.

KarenOH · 31/05/2024 07:12

Social media has alllowed the village idiots to all find each other.

daily mail already going with likes such as “gloating liberal nitwits”.

sadly for the intellectually challenged, this verdict just continues to feed into their bonkers conspiracy theory led minds that Trump is some kind of messiah who is being persecuted by those in power.

Tiredalwaystired · 31/05/2024 07:12

GordonBlue · 30/05/2024 22:14

YANBU that the justice system has prevailed.

However the possible repercussions on the ground are worrying. The USA is wild and a lot of them are riled.

It wouldn’t be any better if he had been found innocent on that front. But at least he has had to face his own misdeeds for once.

No doubt this WILL hit him in the polls. The ones that want to martyr him will have done it anyway - he’s certainly not going to win any new votes this way. But there may be some unease now in his fundamentalist Christian base.

CroftonWillow · 31/05/2024 07:14

It's a landslide for Trump! 34/34!

Elderflower14 · 31/05/2024 07:15

Will he be sent to prison?

DramaLlamaBangBang · 31/05/2024 07:17

Oaktree55 · 31/05/2024 07:00

It’ll just help him in his run for president.

I agree. He will win the election, despite this, I think. This is 'just' a pay off to a lover. The more important trial is the inciting an insurrection, but this is another example of the inflexibility of the US consititution that he may be found guilty of subverting democracy and inciting an insurrection against the government and still be President. The good thing about their system is that in a maximum of 4 years, both Trump and Biden will be gone, win or lose. Trump didn't manage to do anything really the last time, good or bad, apart from making America a laughing stock.

DramaLlamaBangBang · 31/05/2024 07:20

Tiredalwaystired · 31/05/2024 07:12

It wouldn’t be any better if he had been found innocent on that front. But at least he has had to face his own misdeeds for once.

No doubt this WILL hit him in the polls. The ones that want to martyr him will have done it anyway - he’s certainly not going to win any new votes this way. But there may be some unease now in his fundamentalist Christian base.

The fundamentalist Christians base, hypocrites that they are didn't care about his multiple affairs, allegation of paying for abortions, his multiple marriages etc

SinnerBoy · 31/05/2024 07:23

KarenOH · Today 07:12

Social media has alllowed the village idiots to all find each other. Daily mail already going with likes such as “gloating liberal nitwits”.

The level of ignorance and disinformation on there is staggering. Loads of "He committed no known crime," "Clinton paid hush money, why isn't he in jail," and "Why isn't Hunter Biden getting prosecuted? The Dems are protecting him!"

They're not, H Biden is in court next Monday.

There's absolutely no convincing these moronic fanatics.

KarenOH · 31/05/2024 07:24

DramaLlamaBangBang · 31/05/2024 07:17

I agree. He will win the election, despite this, I think. This is 'just' a pay off to a lover. The more important trial is the inciting an insurrection, but this is another example of the inflexibility of the US consititution that he may be found guilty of subverting democracy and inciting an insurrection against the government and still be President. The good thing about their system is that in a maximum of 4 years, both Trump and Biden will be gone, win or lose. Trump didn't manage to do anything really the last time, good or bad, apart from making America a laughing stock.

Yep.

seen several comments already that this was just paying off some “chick” “hooker” “slut”.

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