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Should we move?

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Piovereacatinelle · 28/05/2024 04:04

Sorry for the late post - up late, thinking everything over.

To begin, last year my beautiful daughter passed away age 39 from cancer, her one and only daughter was 8 at the time (now 9). Everyone was of course devastated but we have been grateful to receive a lot of support. I was able to retire and we have been looking after our lovely granddaughter after school every night, usually 3.30 - 6.30. 2/3 nights we will make dinner for our son-in-law so they stay later.

Now son-in-law has for various reasons decided to move away from London to Brighton, he is Swiss so his family are all still there (we are Italian but moved to the UK 25 years ago). He feels that being able to sell the large family home (purchased with the intention of being filled with children) will give his a fresh start he needs, allow him to invest money for his daughter (the life insurance covered the mortgage and school fees until she is 18, but won’t leave anything for after that) so she can purchase a home and travel. He didn’t have anywhere in mind, he is a doctor but predominantly works in private practice and has been offered a job in Brighton. He thinks the seaside will also offer his daughter a lovely childhood.
Not long after putting his house on the market it sold and he has had his offer accepted on a house in Brighton, he intends to move our granddaughter to a new school in the next term.
Now we live in London too, our house is too large for us and expensive to run. We have been discussing a bungalow/ground floor flat for a few years now as it should give us some security as we age. We also live near our son and 2 other grandchildren who are a little older at 10 and 12. Our other daughter has no children and lives in Italy.

For various reasons my husband and I think we should move. Initially we were going to go home to Italy for retirement but now with our granddaughter needing us more than ever it seems better that we too move to Brighton. The seaside would make for a nice retirement. We could get a flat over looking the sea and still have money left to potentially buy a holiday home in Italy that we could use in the school holidays with our granddaughter and as she gets older we would be able to decide if we wanted to stay in Brighton or move home full time.
Being there for our granddaughter and our son-in-law is also important to us, for our granddaughter we think it’s culturally important. Of course her dad speaks to her in French exclusively and before she passed her mum spoke to her in Italian exclusively (they both spoke both languages so they could understand) and of course nursery and school is all English. But now we are the only ones who can speak to her in Italian always (her dad speaks some Italian but isn’t fluent and prefers to speak French in his own home which is understandable). I also feel we have values, customs and culture to pass on.
Also practical support such as school pick up and club runs.

We mentioned to our son who lives locally and he thinks we shouldn’t move. Since moving to England 25 years ago we have only ever lived in London. We would lose out on time with our other grandchildren (they come to ours after school sometimes and lots on the weekend). He also feels that it’s not fair that one person decides to move and everyone’s life gets uprooted but my son doesn’t support the move in general and thinks disrupting granddaughters life more is a negative.

It really has me overthinking, I don’t know what to do? I love London and Brighton seems lovely and ideally nothing would have ever changed but this is the situation we are faced with and I think our granddaughter should be our priority in this instant as she does not have anyone else.

AIBU to think we should move even if it upsets our son?

OP posts:
bananaramaterry · 28/05/2024 08:53

@VestibuleVirgin Brighton is a great place!

Bumblebloom · 28/05/2024 08:54

VestibuleVirgin · 28/05/2024 08:52

I have been a few times, each time hoping it would get better.
It didn't!

That’s fine, I lived near by and don’t love it either. But describing it as cold, windy and boring is factually incorrect!

Muffin101 · 28/05/2024 08:56

I can understand your logic behind wanting to move to be close to your granddaughter still, it makes sense on paper, but your son and his family may not see it the same way. Not a reason not to do it but I think perhaps something to consider, that they may see this as being out second place or as the ‘lesser’ grandchildren.
Also, have you ever spent much time in Brighton? I can’t really tell from your post but perhaps I missed it. Personally I despise the place, and have noticed it can be a bit love-hate. I certainly wouldn’t be giving up a retirement in Italy, where GD can visit for holidays and you can visit her as and when, for a flat in Brighton.
I am terribly sorry for your loss, your daughters passing must have been, and continues to be I expect, unbearably hard. Son in law and granddaughter are lucky to have you.

Gladespade · 28/05/2024 09:02

I would move heaven and earth to be there for my granddaughter in the situation you describe. Lots of people love living in Brighton so it’s not like you’re going to be stuck somewhere isolated and impractical. It could be a great move for you too.Plus it’s really easy to get back to London to see other family.

rainbowstardrops · 28/05/2024 09:08

I think you should do what you want to do and not necessarily what you think you should do.

It would be great for your granddaughter but I can understand why your son would feel a bit upset but then again, if you retired to Italy then he'd see even less of you then and you can get direct trains from Brighton to London.
Just out of interest, as you said your son in law is a doctor and can work long hours, who is he intending to look after his daughter during these times?

Snowwhitedove · 28/05/2024 09:18

Go for it OP! It sounds like a good move all round. Brighton is a great place to retire, your other grandkids will enjoy visiting and it’s only just over an hour into London anyway.

3luckystars · 28/05/2024 09:19

Well I think you should keep your house in London and rent in Brighton for a year or two.

Don’t buy there.

You are all still grieving, he might get a job somewhere else, get remarried and take off again in a year and where will you be then?

Don’t buy or sell anything for now. Just busy and weigh up your options when you have more information in a year or two.

So sorry about your loss x

tgsldbdk · 28/05/2024 09:24

@Piovereacatinelle you are a wonderful grandmother and your family are lucky to have you!

With regards to moving to Brighton. I would be tempted to sell your home and put your things into storage, and rent somewhere in Brighton for 6-12 months to see how it goes. This would give you time to see if you like it and also spend some much needed time with your granddaughter. After this time, you could evaluate how it's gone and see if you want to make it permanent.

mumda · 28/05/2024 09:27

If you move to Brighton and then you need more support how will your other family members be able to do that?

I am sorry for your loss amd this difficult decision you have to wrestle with.

OMGsamesame · 28/05/2024 09:33

MrsGlennBulb · 28/05/2024 07:31

If I was your SIL or GD I’d be very unhappy with my MIL/GM posting so much of my personal business online……maybe they don’t want the whole of Brighton knowing their life stories before they’ve even unpacked. Just think this through OP.

But people will only recognise the SIL/GD if they already know the personal business.

lanthanum · 28/05/2024 10:25

For the next few years, it might work very well for you to be near your granddaughter and be able to help out. Her cousins will soon be old enough to come down together on the train for weekends or in the holidays. After a few years, there won't be the childcare need in termtime, and it might make more sense to be back in London, with her coming to stay with you in the holidays, and the bigger gaps in Italian-speaking probably won't matter. And it's a good point about it being better for you to be near your son when you get older. So I think the idea of just renting in Brighton might be a good idea, with the idea of reviewing in the future.

Mangoooo · 28/05/2024 11:39

London is only about an hour's train ride to Brighton. You could visit for a day a fortnight and spend the day with your granddaughter. Maybe stay put in London and then eventually move back to Italy as that was your original plan. You can teach your granddaughter some Italian when you visit. It's great that she's fluent in English and French.

zaffa · 28/05/2024 12:16

If I were your SIL I'd want you to come. I'm very close to my PIL and I know that would continue should I lose my DH. If I moved like this, I'd be over the moon for them to come too.

zaffa · 28/05/2024 12:18

And FWIW (not that I could even imagine it) but my PIL are my family and if I got remarried they'd still be my family. I'd be seeking their views on any new partner as much as I would my own parents or friends because I do know that they would always want what was best for me and my DD

elevens24 · 28/05/2024 12:18

I'm so sorry for your loss.

I think it's a huge decision as you'll be sacrificing time with your son and your GC for time with your other GD.

I'm assuming you're retired? In your position I wouldn't sell my London home (now). Let them go and get settled for a year or two. Brighton is not that far, could you travel down every week and stay over a night or two (in their home) to spend time with GD and help with childcare. It would give you time during the day when GD is at school to properly explore the area, if you do decide to move. Schoo holidays are long! You could suggest having GD for half of them in London so she'd be able to spend time with her cousins.

Alternatively, it sounds like your SIL has money to invest. Could he buy a flat in Brighton that you could move into, and which could be used as an investment in the future for GD? Then you're not selling your home and can always go back.

maddening · 28/05/2024 12:22

Could you sell your big London home and buy a small flat in London and small flat in Brighton?

RedHelenB · 28/05/2024 12:26

Stay in London but visit Brighton often.

user1492757084 · 28/05/2024 12:32

I'm sorry for the terrible loss of your daughter.
You are right to support your granddaughter and SIL.
You have options. Brighton is lovely.

You could rent out your London home and rent another in Brighton to see if you like it.
You could also stay with your SIL and grand daughter initially for half the week until you see that you like Brighton.

If I were you I would move.
You son and his family will love to visit and you can visit them.

Owning a house in Italy as well sounds amazing.
Ten years will go quickly and all your grandchildren will have flown the nest.
Spend time with your grand daughter while you are young enough to enjoy Brighton.

MrsGlennBulb · 28/05/2024 13:41

OMGsamesame · 28/05/2024 09:33

But people will only recognise the SIL/GD if they already know the personal business.

How many Swiss, private doctors are likely to be moving to Brighton from London at any one time?

OMGsamesame · 28/05/2024 13:50

MrsGlennBulb · 28/05/2024 13:41

How many Swiss, private doctors are likely to be moving to Brighton from London at any one time?

If you know a Swiss private doctor moving from London to Brighton, how much of the rest is going to be a surprise?

MrsGlennBulb · 28/05/2024 14:11

OMGsamesame · 28/05/2024 13:50

If you know a Swiss private doctor moving from London to Brighton, how much of the rest is going to be a surprise?

I’m not talking about knowing the poor man personally; anyone coming into contact with him in a professional capacity would likely be aware of his previous career posting, and his nationality at least (where he’s worked before, where he’s studied). The choice of whether to divulge any other information, and to whom this information is divulged, should be his to make.

DontKnow1988 · 28/05/2024 14:13

Brighton is very very close, an hour away. You can see granddaughter every single weekend.

You granddaughter is 9, very very soon she will not want to spend that much time with you anymore anyway. And she won't need after school care either.

Don't damage the relationship with your son and other grandchildren.

If you want to move, move to Italy in a few years once all grandchildren are teenagers.

Mostlycarbon · 28/05/2024 15:06

London to Brighton isn't very far. Either way you will be part of both sets of grandchildren's lives. I don't think your son is being fair to state such a strong opinion and try to persuade you. I think he is verging on being emotionally manipulative and needs to grow up a bit, honestly.

You clearly love all your grandchildren but I see why you feel more responsible for one given the tragic circumstances. Sadly we have a similar situation in my extended family and the grandparents have been hugely important in her life.

Do what feels right to you and don't be pressured by the opinions of others.

EnglishBluebell · 28/05/2024 15:14

Your son in law is not putting his child first. She needs her Grandparents! She's just lost her mum and now he's moving her away from her grandmother as well? Wow

EnglishBluebell · 28/05/2024 15:19

@Piovereacatinelle But she isn't Italian, is she? She's half Italian and half Swiss.....