Grandparent moves grandchild to another country

[ChirpyBiscuit]

AIBU to think that this should not be allowed to happen?
My mother has taken my daughter without my permission to another country meaning that she can’t easily see me or her siblings.
I am a kind, gentle, caring mother and AIBU to think that this is against human rights?

Ah - thanks for that info - I stand corrected if that’s the type of order the GM has.

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Except nobody has been abducted 🙄

You're omitting some vital information.

What lies did your mother tell to social services and in the court case?

Courts don't remove children and award custody to someone else without proof of serious problems being present.

Courts generally like to keep the status quo from what I've heard, and always act in the best interests of the child/ren.

Sometimes one child in a family does get singled out.

When the Daughter is 18, she will be able to make her own choices- and will be free to see you if she wishes.

I have an SGO or two of my grandchildren.

The parents still have PR but I have ‘overriding’ PR. This effectively means I make all decisions. Literally all of them, from what they wear to what school they attend and all medical choices. I can choose to include the parents but I don’t have to.

99.9% of SGO orders are granted with just 2 caveats. I cannot change their names or take them abroad for more than 3 months without permission from the court.

So if this child is within an SGO order, there is unlikely to be ongoing SS involvement, because the child is considered to be in a stable home, and there is no need. Most SGOs don’t have contact orders, just suggestions as we step into the role of parents and are expected to make these decisions.

Could anyone really be arsed to interact with op anymore? Not answering questions, talking in riddles, weird turn of phrase “My daughters siblings”. Not knowing why her mother has PR for her daughter. Doesn’t add up and too weird to unravel.

So many ops like this though, absolute victims and nothings ever their fault!

Absolutely! Bewildered about their own life, going online to talk about it and then not making any sense even when asked direct and clear questions.

Are you a politician @ChirpyBiscuit? you’re very good at talking nonsense and avoiding questions.

What time off, the daughter does not live with her she lives with her grandmother who apparently has full custody of the child.

and how did she get your DDs passport?

If you have parental responsibility and your mother has alienated her child from you and your other children then why on earth haven’t you had your mother charged with kidnapping. This is the sort of thing you go to the police and interpol!!

This post screams missing missing reasons.

Exactly - there are missing missing reasons.

if someone took my child I would do anything to get them back.

It seems OP was sympathy rather than anything constructive to get her daughter back.

Op, if your mother has full custody and if your child is being looked after re her physical, educational and emotional well being and if she is nearing eighteen years of age then I think you should maintain calm communication and reunite with your daughter once she is an adult.

If your daughter is being maltreated and if she is still quite young and if you have the legal right and capacity to be a responsible carer and the ability to engage the correct legal representation all awhile caring for your remaining children then you should proceed to require your mother to bring your child home.

You say you don't know why social services have given your Mum custody. This doesn't make sense as you would have been given reasons and there would be a report detailing the reasons for the decision. I don't think anyone can give you realistic advice without more information.

Exactly

This is not a quick process

But they may be able to clarify the legal position for the OP if she is scared to contact SS, can’t afford to contact a lawyer.

@ChirpyBiscuit How old is your daughter and how did your mother get her passport?

I believe that the OP is omitting some rather pertinent information.

So it’s unlikely the gm would be allowed to take her out of the country for more than three months, unless with permission from the courts?

Has she got permission op?
If not, you need to get legal advice as to if you have this caveat, and how to get it enforced.

Going on a limb here

Dd is the oldest child, op was a “poor” parent Im trying to be kind. Granny got custody and Pr. Op eventually turns her life around, has more children but oldest remains with granny as it’s been so long. Granny moves with child as per legally allowed as she’s in the eyes of the law her parent basically.

Ops pissed she wasn’t asked even though she has no rights to that child and hasn’t for a long time.

This must be awful for both you and your child being separated, despite reasons for the decisions made in court.

If you still have PR then anyone attempting to take your child out of the country requires consent from you I think and if social services is involved, the social worker needs to be informed.

I don't think you're unreasonable to be upset, devastated and express this.

What about the child's dad? Is he able to contact professionals to get your daughter back?

We don't know the circumstances as to why social services removed your child and possibly awarded your mum kinship care.

Perhaps your mum is quite good at manipulating and perhaps there's a good reason why your other children fear grandma.

But there are mum and dad's that refuse to acknowledge the harm they do to their own children and social services priority is to keep children safe/happy and this maybe at the detriment of the mum and dad.

Where is the child’s father in all this?

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That is a mystery on many a Mumsnet thread!