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To ask if you can claim benefits in the uk by doing this?

86 replies

reqder · 25/05/2024 14:27

Can you request to go part time and then claim as you’re now on a reduced income? Surely that makes no sense as people could choose to do that as and when they felt like it? I am from the uk but lived in Finland since I was 11… we are moving back again next year and I am currently a stay at home parent!

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qwertyqwertyqwertyqwerty · 25/05/2024 20:20

MaryMaryVeryContrary · 25/05/2024 20:16

Why study if you are a carer with no prospect of employed work?

Hmm

The child may not always be at home.
Well paid career once qualified may enable paid care.

qwertyqwertyqwertyqwerty · 25/05/2024 20:23

Janjk · 25/05/2024 20:16

@qwertyqwertyqwertyqwerty I'd love to be paid to study but it appears I'm working to enable other people to do so.

Would you like to be a carer as one of your children had a disability?

Strange to put small amounts of money ahead of family @Janjk

Families where someone has a disability have much higher rates of poverty, stress, MH issues, family breakdown.

Goslingsforlife · 25/05/2024 20:27

MaryMaryVeryContrary · 25/05/2024 20:16

Why study if you are a carer with no prospect of employed work?

news alert. Carers allowance is £81 per week. many carers still have to find a way to work around their caring responsibilities as nobody can survive on that pittance.

Momstermunch · 25/05/2024 20:29

Christ. Will someone put Mumsnet in purdah until the election so we don't have to read this obviously goady bollocks?!

BestMammyEver · 25/05/2024 20:30

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Crikeyalmighty · 25/05/2024 20:30

@MaryMaryVeryContrary having lived there for 20 months (Copenhagen) the scandi system doesn't have such a call on it as childcare is very reasonable, affordable housing is more abundant ( if you were Danish) and unless you had damn good reason to not be able to work such as certain kinds of disablement or disabled child the general expectation seemed to be that you were expected work pretty much full time-young kids or not- single or a couple.

As I've said before it isn't quite what people think- it's high tax, high services , a strong social underpinning for situations such as short term unemployment, homelessness or ill health or genuine disability- but on the whole it expects citizens to be out there contributing to society and tax take.

Unjustifiable · 25/05/2024 20:30

Janjk · 25/05/2024 19:59

What a joke. It's a total piss take on taxpayers.

@Janjk

Are you aware what CDP and CA are?

Child Disability Payment and Carers Allowance.

She is providing a service as a carer for a disabled child and being paid a pittance for it.

qwertyqwertyqwertyqwerty · 25/05/2024 20:33

Momstermunch · 25/05/2024 20:29

Christ. Will someone put Mumsnet in purdah until the election so we don't have to read this obviously goady bollocks?!

If only.

These benefits threads are endless.

Full of absolute nonsense.

Sprogonthetyne · 25/05/2024 20:35

It depends why you want to work part time. If you're caring for young children or a disabled person, then universal credit (the benefit you would be on) would be fine with you working part time, and top up accordingly. You wouldn't actually get that much though with your DH's income and your part time wage, but probably something if you have high rent or childcare bills.

If you have no DC or teenagers, they would want you to be looking for full time work. They would still top up your wages while you were part time, but would need you to be spending a set amount of time each week, trying to find a full time job.

Unjustifiable · 25/05/2024 20:35

Janjk · 25/05/2024 20:16

@qwertyqwertyqwertyqwerty I'd love to be paid to study but it appears I'm working to enable other people to do so.

@Janjk

You can be paid to study.

That’s what student finance is for.

A lot of students do claim benefits while studying and may receive a bursary too.

If you haven’t availed of this that’s your issue.

size4feet · 25/05/2024 20:39

@JustAnotherPoster00

Source
Well on here for a start. So many people saying they choose to work very few hours do they can get benefits. MN frequently has threads where people give advice on how to make sure you keep under the thresholds. It's a sad state of affairs

Unjustifiable · 25/05/2024 20:40

Vettrianofan · 25/05/2024 19:55

I am in receipt of UC and study part time, DH works full time on slightly less than £33k. I don't work. Also in receipt of CB, SCP, CDP and CA. When all household income is added up it comes to around £50k in total.

@Vettrianofan

If you are in higher Ed you can do 50% of a full time course and receive full time funding, but this would still be seen as part time by UC and the loan isn’t seen as income.

See Students Union and CAB for advice, but it might be helpful, if you would be able to manage your caring responsibilities with a 50% workload.

size4feet · 25/05/2024 20:42

Vettrianofan · 25/05/2024 19:55

I am in receipt of UC and study part time, DH works full time on slightly less than £33k. I don't work. Also in receipt of CB, SCP, CDP and CA. When all household income is added up it comes to around £50k in total.

I have no idea what those benefits are. But it's appalling if you are saying you choose not to work but to study part time and taxpayers pay you for the privilege

Unjustifiable · 25/05/2024 20:48

MaryMaryVeryContrary · 25/05/2024 20:16

Why study if you are a carer with no prospect of employed work?

@MaryMaryVeryContrary

If you are a carer for a disabled child there can be a prospect that their condition will improve with time, treatment, physio and so on.

Even if they are quite severely impacted, they may be moved to a residential facility once they reach adulthood or a PA may be employed.

Being a carer is extremely tiring, you lose contact with the adult world and can become isolated.

While the PP may be preparing for a time whenever her caring responsibilities reduce, she may also be studying for the sake of her mental health, to keep her mind active and to be in touch with the world. Or a combination of all that.

Really, it’s none of anyone’s business, she is entitled to better herself and engage with education, to claim for benefits related to her child’s disability and for a carer’s allowance as she gives 35+ hrs care.

Unjustifiable · 25/05/2024 20:52

size4feet · 25/05/2024 20:42

I have no idea what those benefits are. But it's appalling if you are saying you choose not to work but to study part time and taxpayers pay you for the privilege

@size4feet I would advise you to read the thread, or at least google.

She has a disabled child and is a carer.

WithACatLikeTread · 25/05/2024 20:53

Even if your children are older than three as long as one or both or you earn more than £1437 then they will not push you to work more as it stands at the moment. So if it were not changed I can work part time or study. Whatever I wanted.

Tospyornottospy · 25/05/2024 20:58

This thread feels like it’s intentionally goady and politically driven

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 25/05/2024 21:04

MaryMaryVeryContrary · 25/05/2024 19:17

Despite the amazing, generous Scandi system much coveted on here…

What they do have is highly affordable childcare, so women on modest salaries can afford to work. Whereas many mothers in the U.K. who might well like to work, but who wouldn’t be high earners, can’t work because of the ruinous cost of childcare.

The govt. complain about how many people are ‘economically inactive’. The answer to much of it is staring them in the face, but they refuse to see it.

JanefromLondon1 · 25/05/2024 21:05

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RickyGervaislovesdogs · 25/05/2024 21:14

@LakieLady Yes 3 months, then back to country of origin for the remaining 9 months. At least that’s what I’m currently dealing with! Obviously more complex rules now, but the whole system is still open to abuse.

MaryMaryVeryContrary · 25/05/2024 21:19

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 25/05/2024 21:04

What they do have is highly affordable childcare, so women on modest salaries can afford to work. Whereas many mothers in the U.K. who might well like to work, but who wouldn’t be high earners, can’t work because of the ruinous cost of childcare.

The govt. complain about how many people are ‘economically inactive’. The answer to much of it is staring them in the face, but they refuse to see it.

… given they’ve just massively extended free childcare I don’t think they are… (not voting for them before anyone asks 🙄)

StMarieforme · 25/05/2024 21:33

Need to be here 5 years, contrary to popular belief.

Straight from a person from Sierra Leone.

chillymorns · 25/05/2024 21:37

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How did you know the details of 'loads of couples'? Who honestly shares their finances so openly and randomly

Kendodd · 25/05/2024 21:42

Theredoubtableskins · 25/05/2024 20:08

Why do you think people with British passports are going to be trapped in Britain and unable to leave? Is this genuinely the sort of hysteria you live with?

Because if they don't have Finish passports they may loss their residency rights if they leave. If you only have a British passport, you have rights of residency it two countries, UK and Ireland. So unless the OP or her husband have skills other countries want, or are very rich and they're willing to engage with a lot of paperwork, they will be trapped in the UK. If they have EU passports though, they, and their children have much more options. I can't believe people still don't understand this.

chillymorns · 25/05/2024 21:45

@Kendodd why would OP suddenly need to leave the UK?

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