To think that those private school parents banging on about their fees

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Seriously have misjudged how little anyone else gives a stuff??? NHS, social care, state education, public transport, bloody potholes everywhere - that’s what matters to everyone I know.
Not whether or not VAT is added to a business.

YANBU - it’s hardly the end of the world if Clemmie or Charles end up going to a state school. We have bigger things to worry about in the U.K. right now

YABU - of course everyone cares private school parents might have to pay more

Oh FFS it is human nature, isn’t it? As much as we would like to think that we are all perfectly altruistic, most people will worry/care more about things that impacts them the most.

Of course there is a notion of greater good, but a (vast?) majority given the choice will choose a better education for their children over improving a service they / their family / their friends will never use.

Scrap grammar, private and religious schools. Level the playing field.

I really don't think state schools being flooded with privately educated children will be the dreaded curse for schools that some are trying to make out it will be. I don't think an increase in the number of children from affluent families who care about education is going to be harmful. I think it is going to lead to an improvement in state schools or rather initiate a reversal of the harm that is caused to state education when children with advantages are siphoned off and educated as the elite.

So we can all fail together 💪🏻

Offering these things actually increases fees as teachers, maintenance men, cleaners etc all have to be paid for the service and it’s not state kids that are paying it’s the private kids parents.
Your reasoning is very skewed.

Yes lots of schools are removing these benefits in order to cost cut and keep children in their school. This is no different from any business, if costs go up perks get dropped.

I agree. I do not own my own home and I drive an old car but intend to send my child to private school as my child's education is the most important thing to me. More important than a fancy house or car. More important than buckets of toys and holidays abroad. More important than netflix subscriptions, any tech, meals and nights out. My child will do without a lot so that they can have a great education. It's a cultural thing for my family, as it is for many, especially immigrants who want more than anything to give their children the best start in life. It's sad that these families will be the ones who suffer, not the super rich.

That’s fine guys. Just don’t start moaning at us when your state school class sizes rise and rise. Because that’s what will probably happen.

The vast majority of state schools are now academy schools which have charitable status.

As things stand, it’s the only firm Labour policy which is why so many people are commenting on it. When, and if, Labour actually tell the electorate tell the voters what they plan to do about the real issues in the country (NHS, state schools, crime etc), perhaps people will start discussing them. At the moment though, there are no firm policies on any of these things.

It says 1.2% have 110% bursaries. Not 1% get bursaries,

@LilacK most state schools are charities

That's fine. It still doesn't mean people will care about it.

Sorry I mean for free to the families! They would of course get the EHCP money.

So, if we see something like 25% migration then the cost of absorbing private kids into state schools will be around £1.5bn. This will be the entirety of the money netted by introducing the tax.

According to data done by Saltus, this might be a likely outcome as their research suggests that it could be in the order of 26%.

So, this is looking like an absolute cluster fuck.

A lot of SEN children are being forced into the private / independent sector due to there not being adequate support or funding in state schools. We will most likely have to send our son to a private school, as high functioning autistic people just aren’t supported in mainstream schools. It’s not just super rich people sending their children, for some they have no choice, and it’s those who will be hit hardest

Oh boo hoo.

You know what I'm sick of hearing about? All the poor little SEN kids whose parents have had 'no option' but to pay for private school. Give me a break.

People dance around addressing this point specifically because some people will scream ableism.

But your autistic dc isn't disadvantaged, in context of what's being discussed. They're immensely privileged that they have parents who are able to pay for private schooling. The disadvantaged kids will be those with equivalent difficulties to your dc who don't have parents able to throw the equivalent a small salary at the problem.

If a few 'semi-rich' SEN kids need to join the masses well, that's too bad. I'm not losing any sleep over it though. They're STILL in a far, far more privileged position than the thousands of SEN kids from low income families who don't have money to throw at private therapy/counselling/activities/medical support or whatever.

😂🙈 Seriously? It’s embarrassing for people that they haven’t thought things through. Blinded by sheer bitterness / inverted snobbery.

The fact the pupils moving from private are now going to be using tax payers money for state spaces, £8k a year each. That wasn’t being spent before. Work it out.

Then taking up places in desirable state schools (because they can eg. Move), so those who would have got spaces miss out and go to a local failing school. Well done Labour .

Pushing everyone down raising no one up.

From Labours’ website:

• Higher standards in schools.Recruiting 6,500 more teachers to ensure every child is taught by a specialist, paid for by ending tax breaks for private schools.

🙈 That’s just embarrassing for them too. No supporting analysis whatsoever.

• How much will be ‘raised’ by ‘ending tax breaks for private schools’ (aka beginning VAT on an educational service),
• Where exactly will that x amount go?
• Where are the 6500 teachers coming from?
• how much will it cost the tax payer for each child moving from private to state?
• How does that compare to the amount ‘raised’ through VAT? 🤔
• where are all the spaces for the children transferring?
• will those children who might have gotten into a good school, but now won’t (because wealthier parents have moved / tutored) be forced to take a tax payer funded taxi every day to a failing school further away, because it’s the only one with space?
• Why do you think it’s ok to widen the equality gap? With this policy the very wealthy won’t notice, the wealthyish will carry on with a bit less, the people scraping by will be penalised and their children have to move schools. Levelling down. Labours favourite plan.
• VAT on private school fees today, VAT on uni fees soon? Not beyond the realms of reality. Given that unis are out of cash. Student loans will rise even more - paid for by yes you guessed it, the tax payer.

It was a Labour who started closing grammar schools.
It was Labour who introduced university fees.
It is Labour who are beginning the process of making VAT on educational service acceptable.

Except it won't because as has been discussed on other threads, the birth rate is dropping.

We can afford the rise but it’s our disposable income. You can’t dispose of it more than once! We will spend less in the local pub, not buy that new car and try to get down into the lower stamp duty bracket. We’ll end up spending and saving the same amount.

My kids school is anticipating an exodus at six form this year

@CerealPonderer how do you think it will help state schools to have more SEND pupils in their classes, when they don’t have the funding, resources, support etc for the pupils with SEND they already have. Who is going to benefit from this policy?

Its so wild that the argument I read most is 'If you make me, a wealthy person, pay more for my childs education I will be taking a place at the state school from your child.'

The birth rate is dropping but there are still surge years going through the system.

Neither of which cost them a penny.

Yeah but ex private will take places at the most sought after schools, we all know that (they can spend on house prices in catchment, tutors etc).

Yeah I mean who says they'll get the space over someone else