To think that fascist school attendance policies are responsible for the spread of TB locally

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Well, the policies, and those stupid enough to follow them. and probably measles too, although thankfully, most children make a full recovery from measles. TB leaves many people with life long disabilities though, and I know two young girls who are likely to now be infertile, and a boy with other disabilities. I am sure that TB would not be so widespread if people ignored stupid pointless school threats, were sensible about keeping sick children out of school.

Everyone used to get it (I had the BCG when I was a kid), and TB had all but been eradicated in this country as a result. Unfortunately, not all other countries did the same, and there has now been an increase of cases here.

I expect that they will bring back the jab in due course for everyone who hasn't already had it, and for all incomers now making their home here, whose home countries don't routinely vaccinate and where TB is endemic.

There will always be people who stupidly refuse vaccinations though.

I think it's probs due to massive increase in immigration from countries that do not have vaccination programmes tbh. I work with lots of Indian, Africa and Pakistan immigrants who came over on care or student visas n there is no mandatory vaccine programme for new arrivals n they come from countries where things like TB are at the highest rates.

Wow when did that change?

I understood TB arose due to people bringing it here either knowingly or unknowingly who knows?! It's worse in London obvs but when did we stop vaccinations? I had one at school - still got the scar!!! But I think it only lasts 10ys....

2005 was when TB vaccination stopped as part of the routine NHS,vaccination schedule.

Not sure what you mean in your 2nd paragraph? TB was a problem in the UK for centuries, even before the disease was identified, people died from it.

It didn't 'arise' in the UK due to immigration.

But more recent UK infections are largely due to immigration.

If people are dumb enough to not vaccinate their children, do you think they’ll give a shit about following school sickness rules?

OP you must recognise that the level of cases at your school is far in excess of that seen countrywide. The same school attendance policies exist all over the country, with children expected to be sent in with runny noses/colds/mild cough/under the weather. There are not TB outbreaks in all these places.

Therefore, attendance at school is not what is driving the unusually high levels of cases where you live. It will be other factors. While the children are vaccinated, they may be living in large, multigenerational family homes with family members who are not vaccinated, who may be travelling regularly to countries where TB is endemic.

You can be asymptomatic with TB - half the people with infectious TB don't report symptoms! You are never going to be able to prevent those individuals attending school.

RTFT

TB vaccination hasn't been routinely offered in the UK since 2005.

Also just because vaccination is offered at your school - are some people declining it? There are communities who are very, very wary about vaccines. Its a known issue and was identified in covid as an issue as well, where high risk communities were not getting vaccinated.

And who exactly is this "doctorial" leader pray tell?

Come off it, this person doesn't work in a school. This thread is a windup.

that I know of who had full blown TB

No, that would be antivaxxers!

YABU purely for invoking fascism

I don't think school attendance policies help OP with the spread of many illnesses. Despite this, illness is still a prime reason for absence and has increased in recent years. It's almost as if encouraging ill children in to spread illnesses to others is a bit moronic if overall attendance is a goal.

Fair enough, maybe the vaccine has become more available in recent years and/or it sounds like it might be more available in London where rates are higher.

But I remember trying to get the BCG for a younger sibling. At first it appeared that he would be eligible, as we had a grandparent born in Pakistan (which was one of the criteria for getting it). But they refused as we no longer had family living in a high-risk area.
("They " being the NHS or whoever authorises these things.)

So it sounds like a better vaccination programme is needed, and that schools need much better ventilation!

Dictatorial???

To be fair, I don't see why secondary schools should open at 8.30 when it's well documented that teens need more sleep, and subsequently that sleep has a major role is weight regulation.

IMO secondary schools should run 10-5.

My dc had the BCG as a baby in 2014.

It wasn’t anything to do with our country of origin but the London Borough we lived in and TB rates increasing. I believe this is still the case.

(We are both white British with great great great grandparents also being white British although not sure this adds anything to the discussion)

WHY did vaccination stop?

Because TB was no longer a major issue in the UK that would necessitate routine vaccine for the entire population.

It still isn't.

Interestingly op did you know that when schools were shut during covid there was actually no drop in the level of TB cases.

RSV cases, flu etc, these dropped dramatically. TB did not.

This thread is bizarre!
I’ve been a GP in the midlands for nearly 30 years and never seen a case of TB.

School attendance policies are not good in many cases I agree.

As for not taking illnesses seriously, parties in 2020 and 2021 set a tone.

Looks like we'll never find out who the doctorial leader is...

and I have tested positive 😰