To think that fascist school attendance policies are responsible for the spread of TB locally

[leftkneeonbackwards]

Well, the policies, and those stupid enough to follow them. and probably measles too, although thankfully, most children make a full recovery from measles. TB leaves many people with life long disabilities though, and I know two young girls who are likely to now be infertile, and a boy with other disabilities. I am sure that TB would not be so widespread if people ignored stupid pointless school threats, were sensible about keeping sick children out of school.

When did that change? We were all given it as teens

I don't understand what you are saying, it is widespread in the UK, and it is vaccinated for, but the vaccination is only about 50% effective, as I said, so it prevents a lot of spread in the community, but does not stop many individuals getting it.

If a child becomes ill on a trip... what would you expect them to do? They can't take everyone back. They haven't the staff to take one back (or the transport). The parents may not be able to get there to pick up...

No, of course they have treatment, children with TB may be out of school or in hospital for months. But by the time they are diagnosed, they have often spread it

Where is your evidence that TB is rife in schools?

I had the vaccine at school in the 70s because there were cases in the borough my school was in not the school itself (Hammersmith).

I wasn’t vaccinated, born late 70s, as it wasn’t in my area, due to the national vaccine roll out a decade or so earlier. It depended where you lived then.

It is not widespread in the UK.

One of the oddest posts for a while. TB is a notifiable disease, also very rare in the UK. Most cases are contracted overseas or those living in hostels, drug abuse etc. My dc weee vaccinated soon after birth due to an outbreak in the city we lived in, it's offered in areas of higher infection and to those travelling to certain locations now.

Measles is rare because most children are vaccinated against it! We had a booster ourselves recently

My facts are perfectly straight, thank you - I was just at the TB clinic yesterday - yet again - having been in contact with it through school -yet again -and being told which of my students have caught it from the same contact I was being tested for, yet again.

The contact has been in hospital for months now. However he was "under the weather" in school for several weeks, and then was in hospital for around 6 weeks before the diagnosis.

The two students he has infected are now out of school too.

Ec HCP here and im going to say what all HCPs know but wont say openly for fear of being called racist. There is a resurgence of these diseases because of high immigration levels! Lots of these immigrants are not vaccinated!

Given that there were only 5,000 cases last year in the uk OP TB really isnt common. In most parts of the uk its rare, its concentrated in certain communities.

I am not poor, thank you. The children in my class now with TB are not poor either.

As far as I know it was brought back nationwide many years ago. But it is only around 50% effective.

Please don't misuse words like fascist.

It is concentrated in London, where we have are 18 per 100 000, I was told in the TB clinic yesterday, and yes, it is concentrated in "certain communities" - SCHOOLS!!

Not sure, but my daughter's 27 and she had it because her dad was born in Kenya so she was considered at increased risk. So for at least 10 years it hasn't been routine.

The risk of TB in this country had got sufficiently low that the risk of side effects from vaccination became comparatively high.

The problem being that over time you end up with an unvaccinated population so the disease can spread easily. Same with polio vaccines which I don't think are given now.

@leftkneeonbackwards

But it isn't a common problem throughout the country is what we are trying to tell you. Most cases in the U.K. not connected to intravenous drug use are traced to either sub Saharan Africa or Pakistan, so people who go and stay in someone's home for an extended period. You can receive the vaccination prior to traveling.

how much clearer can I be? IT IS SPREADING IN SCHOOLS

https://www.nhs.uk/vaccinations/bcg-vaccine-for-tuberculosis-tb/#:~:text=The%20BCG%20vaccine%20is%20recommended%20if%20you're%20staying%20for,friends%2C%20family%20or%20local%20people

No it is not part of the NHS vaccination schedule. Therefore you will not have any heard immunity. If you want to adress it adding it to the vaccine schedule would be a good way

Are you in an area with a high volume of migrants or people who travel frequently to the indian sub continent, OP?
5000 cases in the whole uk in 2023 is not a lot of cases. TB is not common in the UK - this is a localised issue to whatever community you live in.

My dc were born in a city that vaccinated babies shortly after birth.

Where are you seeing this TB outbreak..? Never seen one in my local area, Measles coming back yes, slapped cheek yes, Strep A yes but not TB. In my experience parents do not send poorly children to school (even if it’s D & V thankfully) but if they do we send them home.

Vaccine is being given - it does not prevent spread, it is spreading in schools - this is the 3rd time in 7 years for me - but students from 7 years ago have not recovered. It might be small numbers, but it is devastating for individuals concerned.

And every time the "source" student has been a law abiding individual, coming to school regularly even though long term "under the weather"- and NOT from a poor home. Although some of the students who have caught it from them have taken it back to a poor home

Many of the students I have had with it live in affluent home. Being rich and comfortable does not protect you

@testing987654321 Polio definitely is still part of the routine vaccination schedule

The answer is vaccination, op.

Its how TB got so rare in the uk. I'm 39 and never had BCG, by the time i was the age for it they would only vaccinate you if travelling somewhere its common and you were going to be in close contact with local population or working with vulnerable (homeless, drug users).