To think that fascist school attendance policies are responsible for the spread of TB locally

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Well, the policies, and those stupid enough to follow them. and probably measles too, although thankfully, most children make a full recovery from measles. TB leaves many people with life long disabilities though, and I know two young girls who are likely to now be infertile, and a boy with other disabilities. I am sure that TB would not be so widespread if people ignored stupid pointless school threats, were sensible about keeping sick children out of school.

Well my learning for today is they no longer routinely vaccinate against tb. I’m mid forties and dc aren’t quite the age I had it in school.

What does ‘doctorial’ mean? You have said it twice now. Googling hasn’t helped me.

For those of you blaming this current outbreak on poverty in other countries, I have relatives working for the WHO who predicted this surge in drug resistance TB 20 years ago, because they saw the origins of it in Germany.

maybe people would be getting diagnosed faster if they got rid of this stupid idea that being European or rich gives you immunity.

The word facist is too easily used these days. They are having to intervene because school attendance has become quite poor.

There is no BCG vaccine given routinely in the UK any more , I have teenagers and they haven’t been offered it. DH and I had it at around age 13 as part of the normal vaccine programme at the time.

That is very good news. Too late for my current students, but I do not want to see this disaster unfold again on any of my future classes

She means dictatorial 😂

You are fined if your children are off school with measles, certified by the doctor???
I'm gobsmacked! But I'm in Scotland where the school absence policy is more relaxed and no fines for absence but educational standards are dropping 🤷‍♀️

I was in the TB clinic talking to staff yesterday - I was being tested again because of another outbreak in my class, 3rd time in 7 years, ( actually 4th, but on one occasion I don't actually know who the contact was). And anyway, I could see the clinic was full of children of school age- in spite of very strict instructions, under no circumstances to bring a child who was not actually the patient.

It's poor parenting. Just because a vaccination isn't routinely given, it doesn't mean that you can't have one.

Not rare, and not limited to people from overseas, or living in hostels or on drugs! None of those things apply to my infected students.

How many times can I say it - in the TB clinic yesterday, the staff told me at least 18 people in london are infected, out of every 100 000. And it is spreading through schools

This is the third time in 7 years in my tutor group. And it might be small numbers but it is devastating. Out of the first 3, two girls have been left infertile, and one boy has been left disabled and his parents were suing the education authority when I left.

The illnesses are booming because of idiot antivaccers.

There is no problem with children staying off school if the are ill. There is no disciplinary consequences unless the parent has form for regularly lying about their kid being sick in order to take a termtime holiday - then when the child is genuinely sick they have already been warned that one more absense will trigger dire consequences.

Without the school attendance policies thousands of children miss out on vital education, and worse they get the message that education is optional, and get railroaded into a lifetime of low aspiration and poverty line income. There us direct correlation between school attendance and long term outcomes.

Get all kids vaccinated and send them into school every schoolday unless they are genuinely too ill to learn. Failing to do the latter persistently is already categorised as child neglect. I wish they would do the same for those who fail on the former.

I am not misusing the word fascist. It means a philosophy of elevating a doctorial leader who imposes their wishes forcibly on a community regardless of the consequences to individuals. This is exactly what we have here.

I live in London

These children are vaccinated

Please stop misusing the word 'doctorial'.

Still waiting to hear who this DICTATORIAL leader is...

Im 37 and had the vaccination at school, my DC had it at birth (hammersmith) in the last 10 years

it isn't poor uptake, it is that the vaccine is not particularly effective.

I personally marched this class in for their vaccine several years ago.

Of course, without the vaccine, the situation now would be very much worse, but the individual affected are vaccinated.

I am vaccinated, but still have to go and get tested every time I am identified as a contact, as being vaccinated gives limited protection

My DC was born in Lambeth and had the BCG at 3 days old in early 2010’s, it was very heavily pushed. I was born in Africa, so I didn’t even question getting it. I’ve had all the vacs including smallpox. TB has been a problem in London for years, it’s not new.

The reason big is rising is because the vaccinations were stopped, without anyone thinking what might happen now we have large numbers of people travelling back and forth to areas where TB is endemic.

It is no surprise.

I have natural immunity due to asymptomatic infection/exposure as a baby, but no one else in my cohort did, and I’m mid 50s.

it does sound like it is patchy. but locally all teens are offered it

I think you mean dictatorial..:

These children were vaccinated. I personally marched them in to be vaccinated myself, several years ago

YABU. It has nothing to do with whether or not people get their kids vaccinated either. All vaccines do is boost immunity, they don't fully prevent transmission. We insist on importing cultures with questionable hygiene standards and practises. Up until recently, standards have slipped across the board, be they in basic hygiene, sartorial, common sense and understanding. Water supplies have been getting contaminated and we've become a 2nd world country owing to cultural change and a rather noticeable change in demographics. So I don't think you can blame the spread of disease on a school attendance policy. I don't like schools and institutionalised learning anyway, it breeds mediocrity under the illusion of equality.

I doubt there's a school in the country that would insist on DC with TB being sent into school.