To be glad we are finally getting an election

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Rishi due to tell us at 5pm what the date is - smart money on 4th July perhaps pressaging his inevitable departure for the USA.

This.

The definition of 'a marginal seat' has changed a lot - look up the vote swing achieved by Labour in the last 2 years' worth of byelections. Lib Dems too.

Anything under 15,000 is now a marginal seat for the Tories.

If it's currently labour then what's the chance of that changing?

Really were house prices super inflated when labour were in charge? First time buyers can't acctually buy anymore as the deposit they need is so enormous they can't save it. Now you can only buy half a house and still pay rent or a wreck that needs pulling down. Private rents are out of control, a third of people's income is being spent on rents. Its disgusting and they've no plans to change it either, I'm 100% sure of that because they have told me.

The manifesto hasn’t been published. Nobody’s seen it.

I've also just seen on the news they have copied the conservatives manifesto.... point 100% proven. I'm not even convinced they can win but we will see.

Gosh that is amazing you have seen the unpublished manifesto @Mummy2024 Are you able to share it? Pretty please.

Must be true if it was on the news. Nobody’s seen any manifestos yet. How many more times?

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Some posters are unintentionally almost as hilarious as drowned-rat Sunak.

Well I've just seen on the news a presenter who has seen it, saying to a labour mp that their manifesto is a copy of the conservative manifesto. What I'm saying is In the last 2 years kier has brought no hope, no ideas all he does is drone on about how bad the conservatives are and then supported them on numerous things. Labour may win but its not a done deal by any means. We are all deflated I'm not able to buy a house because of the conservatives, but labour arnt going to do anything to fix it.

Nobody’s seen any manifesto.

Which news channel was this @Mummy2024 ?

She was talking to a labour mp 😆 who replied with well we are inheriting a mess so we're limited to what we can do 😆 🤣 😂. I'm no conservative voter I've never voted conservative in my life and that's why I don't want to vote for kier starmer. My town is a labour town anyway so it won't matter what I vote

Sky news about 20 mins ago

Well it is good that Labour is being truthful. They have inherited a mess and will be limited in what they can do in their first term.

If they were making wild pledges, they would be criticised for that too. They can't win. Well, they can and will, but you know what I mean.

Thanks will try and catch it up later.

THANK GOD!

We all been gaslit over the last fourteen years into thinking things aren’t that bad. The very pinnacle of ‘musn’t grumble’. But it is shit!

Whatever Labour do has to be better than this. Sir Keir seems like a steady hand. Might as well give him a whirl that stick with these venal, mendacious con-men.

The education system is on the brink of collapse. We’ve been in despair about next September. I only hope it’s not too late.

Do yourself a favour and realise, there is no such thing as left and right.... only us and them.... a vote for either party is a vote for the conservatives.

I suspect we’ll see a fair few Portillo moments come the early hours of July 5th.

@boys3 I am very much looking forward to seeing toads like Give loose their seats. In fact, as a teacher, I will happily go canvas for his opposition. He ruined education.

I totally realise that Labour is basically Tory lite, with maybe a few left wing sprinkles. But that is what England is comfortable with, sadly, and the rest of the UK has to put up with that for now. We need PR.

But I still think things will be better eventually with them in charge.

Jeremy corbyn was a true Labour leader, even Blair did more for Britain than the conservatives ever have and he was a centralist. I myself am a centralist but kier is a conservatives and not even going to make a good pm. He's no ideas of his own. I don't want the conservatives to get back in, but I expect my life won't improve under labour. This government have taken away any hope of a decent retirement for me, I probably won't even see my pension, I'll be dead and before that I'll still be paying rent. I'm what you called a disillusioned voter. I work I had dreams and ambitions of owning my own home and having a decent retirement. That's now not going to happen so I do not care who gets in.

Omg! Cornflake have you actually seen what the Tories have done since 2010?

So 1997 to 2010 was a disaster was it?

I despair at times. This is delusion.

I remember what a mess they made of the country in the past. And will again

Yes! Look at the state the NHS was in in 2010. Cancer waiting times were much lower. New cancer drugs were being approved for use on the NHS (£1 billion was being spent on new cancer treatments at one point) leading to much better outcomes. Ambulance and a&e waiting times were low. And there was that stupid Sure Start scheme. Absolute rotters. Thank god the Tories put paid to all that nonsense.