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Singapore flight turbulence tragedy

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Freespirit44 · 21/05/2024 17:59

Posting for traffic.

Since I have heard the news I am absolutely terrified.

I am a VERY anxious flyer. For this reason I haven't flown in over seven years.

The news of this tragedy has triggered me as i have a short haul flight next week from the UK.

Anyone else feel the same?

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size4feet · 21/05/2024 22:29

Extraordinarily rare. Are you scared every time you drive a car or cross a road. Because you should be terrified. It's infinitely more risky than flying in a plane

Pollipops1 · 21/05/2024 22:34

I already said that there might be people who were out of their seats and couldn’t be belted in, but if people chose to sit in their seats without their seatbelt fastened then they chose to take the risk of injury in the case of unexpected turbulence and were unfortunately unlucky. I have limited sympathy as they put other passengers at risk with their choice not to wear their belt. I’d be pretty annoyed if I got injured during turbulence on a flight because the person next to me chose not to wear a seatbelt

So you would be annoyed if someone injured you if they were sitting next to you without a belt on & would have little sympathy if they hurt themselves. But you wouldn’t be annoyed if they injured you because they were walking to the toilet & you would have sympathy then or if they had their belt on but took their belt off to bend down for a kids toy etc & hurt you that would be ok?

As I said I find it crass that people have to repeatedly say “this is why I wear a seatbelt” or “this is why I don’t swim in the sea” after a shark attack. It’s a weird moral high ground & then of course you have the posters who not only wear there seatbelt at all times but don’t go to the toilet on short haul flights etc.

SpindleyDindley · 21/05/2024 22:43

Majorpom · 21/05/2024 18:39

I’m quite scared of flying and I hate hate hate turbulence but this incident hasn’t made me any more nervous.
In fact maybe made me slightly less scared for now as
a. Even in such extreme conditions most people were safe particularly those with seatbelts on
b. It’s such a rarity that statistically it’s unlikely to happen again in near future

obviously very sad for the person who has died and terrifying for the passengers and crew

b is not true. The turbulence event that happened earlier today does not make the same event happening tomorrow any more or less likely.

Freespirit44 · 21/05/2024 22:46

@TokyoSushi good luck for tomorrow! I feel your pain.

As a pp said, to see the world, we have to fly. I was actually in a positive mindset prior to today's news. I guess it bought out my fears which iv kept buried for the sake of my kids.

We travel as a family around the UK but iv put off air travel for 8 years. I'm going to put my big girl pants on and get through it, but I know it won't be easy!

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DorisDoesDoncaster · 21/05/2024 22:47

I do tend to wear my seatbelt at all times when seated but on my next flight might avoid going to the loo if possible. Utterly horrifying.

FrancisSeaton · 21/05/2024 22:47

MartinsSpareCalculator · 21/05/2024 21:43

No. Most flights experience turbulence. This was something of a freak occurrence, unlikely to repeat. Air travel is incredibly safe.

I love your username 😂

EasterIssland · 21/05/2024 22:49

TokyoSushi · 21/05/2024 22:03

I hate flying, and am flying tomorrow, this is my absolute worst nightmare.

But I also understand that incidents like this are very rare indeed, keep your seatbelt on and it's overwhelmingly likely you'll be fine.

Hope it all goes well for you tomorrow. I’m flying too. To Singapore with Singapore airlines. Todays news haven’t been good for my anxiety which already was over the roof 😭 but I love traveling

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EasterIssland · 21/05/2024 22:51

DorisDoesDoncaster · 21/05/2024 22:47

I do tend to wear my seatbelt at all times when seated but on my next flight might avoid going to the loo if possible. Utterly horrifying.

Good if short haul. Not so good if long haul. You can end up with a thrombosis. Im
doinf the Singapore flight tomorrow and it’s 13.5h. Def ill have to go at some point for the loo

Takoneko · 21/05/2024 22:51

Pollipops1 · 21/05/2024 22:34

I already said that there might be people who were out of their seats and couldn’t be belted in, but if people chose to sit in their seats without their seatbelt fastened then they chose to take the risk of injury in the case of unexpected turbulence and were unfortunately unlucky. I have limited sympathy as they put other passengers at risk with their choice not to wear their belt. I’d be pretty annoyed if I got injured during turbulence on a flight because the person next to me chose not to wear a seatbelt

So you would be annoyed if someone injured you if they were sitting next to you without a belt on & would have little sympathy if they hurt themselves. But you wouldn’t be annoyed if they injured you because they were walking to the toilet & you would have sympathy then or if they had their belt on but took their belt off to bend down for a kids toy etc & hurt you that would be ok?

As I said I find it crass that people have to repeatedly say “this is why I wear a seatbelt” or “this is why I don’t swim in the sea” after a shark attack. It’s a weird moral high ground & then of course you have the posters who not only wear there seatbelt at all times but don’t go to the toilet on short haul flights etc.

It’s bizarre that you don’t see the difference between people who need to have their seatbelt off (e.g. to use the toilet or do their job as cabin crew) and people just sitting in their seats with no belt on.

They made a choice that they felt the chance of injury was small enough to take the risk and unfortunately they were unlucky. If you only have your seatbelt off when you need to get up then you are much less likely to be injured than if you only wear it when you are legally required to. Obviously everyone will need to use the loo at some point on a 14 hour flight, but people who unclip their seatbelts as soon as the sign goes off and don’t wear them unless it comes back on make flying more dangerous for everyone.

It’s not hard. Keep your seatbelt on and if you’re sleeping fasten it over your blanket so that the crew can see it is on and don’t have to wake you which can delay them in getting to their seats.

notimagain · 21/05/2024 22:56

Agree very much with belts on as much as possible, but yes of course at some point in 12-13 hour flight nature intervenes…

Looking at where this happened in terms of the flight there’s also a fair chance that the final meal service was, or had just been on the go. That tends to trigger a final rush for the washrooms and often queues do form……if that was the case it might help explain the numbers injured.

Aramiss · 21/05/2024 22:56

Turbulence really isn't a concern for modern airliners.
Even tiny planes are designed to withstand quite a bit.

I understand why it's unsettling, but it really shouldn't put you off flying.
Honestly if people actually understood the physics behind how a plane flies, it would alleviate ALOT of flying anxiety many, many people have.

Jl2014 · 21/05/2024 22:58

Take it as a comfort that it is so rare that it made front page news.

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PrincessTeaSet · 21/05/2024 23:12

Far more people will die of thrombosis caused by sitting still too long on a plane than will ever die due to turbulence.

IcySpritz · 21/05/2024 23:30

Aeroplane car seats?! You learn something new every day...

TheBirdintheCave · 22/05/2024 00:17

Fintoo · 21/05/2024 18:59

A little question for people who are flight crew, if they wouldn’t mind answering. Do the pilots keep their seat belts on throughout the flight, so that they wouldn’t be affected if this happens?

According to a pilot I watch on YouTube yes they do. Though not always the shoulder harness bit.

PassingStranger · 22/05/2024 01:09

mydogisthebest · 21/05/2024 18:56

I don't fly very often but when I do I always keep my seatbelt on. I never use the loo so no need to undo the belt

Your meant to get up on a flight and stretch your legs.

Calliopespa · 22/05/2024 01:10

Cityandmakeup · 21/05/2024 19:45

He had a heart attack. News it’s hyping it up.

I’m not really sure that’s accurate: 31 were injured, 6 critically. That wasn’t fallout from his heart attack: it was because of the turbulence.

Calliopespa · 22/05/2024 01:12

PrincessTeaSet · 21/05/2024 23:12

Far more people will die of thrombosis caused by sitting still too long on a plane than will ever die due to turbulence.

I’m sure that’s true.

SummerFeverVenice · 22/05/2024 01:13

mydogisthebest · 21/05/2024 18:56

I don't fly very often but when I do I always keep my seatbelt on. I never use the loo so no need to undo the belt

I think that particular flight is 14hrs? You’d be really dehydrated if you went that long with no loo trip.

Calliopespa · 22/05/2024 01:14

PassingStranger · 22/05/2024 01:09

Your meant to get up on a flight and stretch your legs.

Yes. There are also helpful exercises you can do in your seat if taking a seatbelt off is concerning. They mostly involve moving the feet to keep blood from pooling/ not moving on.

Calliopespa · 22/05/2024 01:16

SummerFeverVenice · 22/05/2024 01:13

I think that particular flight is 14hrs? You’d be really dehydrated if you went that long with no loo trip.

Or you’d get a uti!

Even if you wore a nappy, you’d probably need a nappy change.

Calliopespa · 22/05/2024 01:20

Freespirit44 · 21/05/2024 22:46

@TokyoSushi good luck for tomorrow! I feel your pain.

As a pp said, to see the world, we have to fly. I was actually in a positive mindset prior to today's news. I guess it bought out my fears which iv kept buried for the sake of my kids.

We travel as a family around the UK but iv put off air travel for 8 years. I'm going to put my big girl pants on and get through it, but I know it won't be easy!

You’ll be fine OP. We all take risks walking out our door ( and actually it’s still not risk -free staying home ). I wouldn’t be surprised if your risk in the air is, if anything, lower than on the ground. I do understand your concern though.

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