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Singapore flight turbulence tragedy

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Freespirit44 · 21/05/2024 17:59

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Since I have heard the news I am absolutely terrified.

I am a VERY anxious flyer. For this reason I haven't flown in over seven years.

The news of this tragedy has triggered me as i have a short haul flight next week from the UK.

Anyone else feel the same?

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albertoross · 21/05/2024 20:24

Sidge · 21/05/2024 20:20

At a risk of sounding very pedantic, whilst terribly sad and tragic I think the reporting of this is rather inflammatory. Did the poor chap have a heart attack, or a cardiac arrest?

Heart attacks are caused by a lack of oxygen to the heart muscle, by narrowing of vessels or a clot.

Cardiac arrest is when the heart stops beating normally.

It would be incredibly unlikely I think to experience either of those without underlying risk factors.

More likely to have injuries from not wearing a seatbelt during extreme turbulence.

People with underlying risk factors get on flights all the time! Why dismiss it as oh he had a pre existing condition

Kitkat1523 · 21/05/2024 20:28

User14March · 21/05/2024 19:42

Re: jelly trick to help those scared of turbulence, how was the plane able to drop so dramatically if air pressure prevents plane falling?

Except it didn’t drop dramatically 🙄..l. And this is how rumours start

User14March · 21/05/2024 20:28

@Kitkat1523 tell that to the news outlets

User14March · 21/05/2024 20:33

NB: ‘feet’ not metres above.

SallyWD · 21/05/2024 20:33

I feel very sad that the poor man died and feel concerned for those injured. I actually found it strangely comforting that despite such severe turbulence the pilot remained in control of the plane and landed it safely. To me it showed that even the most extreme turbulence doesn't seem to bring a plane down. I know it has happened before but only a few times in history.

Chersfrozenface · 21/05/2024 20:34

albertoross · 21/05/2024 20:23

Why were people's ears bleeding then?

If they were, it would be because the people had banged them on a hard surface or they had been hit by an object flying through the air.

Takoneko · 21/05/2024 20:35

albertoross · 21/05/2024 20:23

Why were people's ears bleeding then?

Where have you seen that people’s ears were bleeding?

That’s not something I’ve seen reported. Every single injury that I’ve seen reported are explained by people being thrown upwards from their seats because they weren’t strapped in.

And if someone was bleeding from their ears for whatever reason it was not because turbulence plunged the plane by 6,000 feet. The flight data is very clear. The turbulence only shifted the altitude up and down within a margin of a few hundred feet over a period of 90 seconds. The 6,000 foot descent was a totally normal controlled descent that people who don’t understand turbulence reported incorrectly as the turbulence event. If you read the flight radar blog it has all the data there.

Takoneko · 21/05/2024 20:35

User14March · 21/05/2024 20:32

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/passenger-dies-after-london-flight-hit-by-turbulence-nkt9jzqbq

’within seconds of the seatbelt light being switched on the plane plummeted thousands of metres’

RIP Geoffrey Kitchen. How tragic.

The news outlets are incorrect. The flight data is very clear.

Kitkat1523 · 21/05/2024 20:36

User14March · 21/05/2024 20:28

@Kitkat1523 tell that to the news outlets

Depends where you read your ‘news’ ….. none of my sources mentioned any plunging planes🙄

tallcurvey · 21/05/2024 20:36

@Haggisfish3
you are very wrong can happen above 15,000ft and short haul fly well above that.

Talkwhilstyouwalk · 21/05/2024 20:38

Yeah, just keep your seat belt on. These things do happen from time to time but they show us what pilots and planes are capable of overcoming.....it came out of the turbulence/drop, diverted and landed safely. The fact is, there wouldn't have been injuries if everyone was strapped it.....

User14March · 21/05/2024 20:39

@Kitkat1523 plunged or plummeted same thing. Read the Times article. It also suggested it was the unexpected drop that caused all the injuries.

takemeawayagain · 21/05/2024 20:41

We had a drop due to turbulence on a flight home from Mexico in hurricane season. No one was injured I don't think but people were crying and throwing up. It wasn't the best experience but didn't put me off flying at all.

Sidge · 21/05/2024 20:42

albertoross · 21/05/2024 20:24

People with underlying risk factors get on flights all the time! Why dismiss it as oh he had a pre existing condition

What do you mean?

I’m saying people sadly die in flight fairly regularly for one reason or another. Why is this newsworthy? Why are the media leading with “man dies on turbulent flight” causing anxiety to people like the OP?

RoseBucket · 21/05/2024 20:43

He had heart problems for years and stents fitted, although the stress probably didn’t help, very sad though.

The poor chap using the toilet at the time!

Minimili · 21/05/2024 20:53

I used to be terrified of flying, I went abroad for the first time at 19 on the first family holiday my parents could afford and I got on the plane and then tried to get straight off.
I had no idea it would be so small and we’d be so tightly packed in, I had flown a small plane a few times (air cadets) and was also not impressed when I realised I wasn’t going to be fitted with a parachute 😂.

On my second ever flight though the plane was almost diverted back to the airport because I had such a bad panic attack, I was refusing to come home I hated flying so much. It took a lot of persuasion to get me on board.

I’ve found ways to cope after years of hating it.

I used to go onto the airport roof (car park) at Manchester to watch the planes taking off and landing, I found it reassuring.

I told staff how terrified I was and they were so kind and usually let me board first. I was allowed to chat to the pilots on a couple of occasions as well.
I was always seated in the front row which helped because if I panicked cabin crew would come and chat to me.
There was one occasion with allocated seats when someone refused to swap and let me sit at the front (which is completely understandable) but in the end someone agreed to swap after take off when they saw how distressed I was.

Since it’s been an option I always pay for extra leg room seats at the front, I book and choose seats as soon as possible.
I still find it reassuring seeing cabin crew moving around and I get served drinks first! Every bump used to make me panic wildly but now as long as I see how nonchalant cabin crew are I’m absolutely fine.
The extra leg room helps with the feeling of claustrophobia and being packed in a tight space.

I always book a window seat and then I can see we are in the air and the plane is flying normally.
I also like to check the wings are still on! I know it’s completely illogical but who cares if it reduces anxiety?
The only problem with doing this is I get asked to swap seats on almost every flight because I’m under 5 foot and taller people (usually men) think this means I don’t deserve the extra leg room. I’ve also been asked many times to swap my window seat for someone’s child and I’ve had so much pressure put on me to move - especially when I fly alone.
I wish people would book and pay for their own seats if they feel entitled to them, it makes me anxious every flight waiting for someone to ask me to move. I had to get a flight attendant involved last year because a woman kept letting her toddler come to my seat when I wouldn’t swap and she was climbing all over me and DP to see out of the window.

I always have a few drinks before I fly no matter what time of day it is, I buy little bottles of wine or spirits to take on board at the airport as well. I’ve had cabin crew telling me off for drinking them on the plane before take off but DP always tells them it’ll make their life easier if I drink it quickly before take off and they have never confiscated it as long as I’ve finished it before take off.

When I travel with DP he holds my hand and distracts me during take off and does breathing exercises with me so I don’t have a panic attack. It’s harder travelling alone but on almost every occasion another passenger has been nice enough to talk to me and reassure me.
We flew through a storm once and lightning was hitting the plane, I was travelling alone but the man next to me told me it was lights reflecting off another plane and wasn’t lightning. I just accepted it at the time then when we landed I thought about it more logically and realised he was just a very kind man!

I keep my seatbelt on at all times and if there is turbulence I remember something they showed us at air cadets to demonstrate how planes stay in the air. If you get an A4 piece of paper and blow under it then it lifts the paper. As long as you keep blowing the paper doesn’t drop, I like the jelly example someone shared on a previous post as well.

I also read the statistics on how safe it is to fly and had the flight tracker app to show how many planes take off and land safely every day.
I read you are more likely to be kicked to death by a donkey or win the lottery multiple times then die in a plane crash.

I try never to watch anything on the news or any films about plane crashes before flying, that really isn’t helpful for anyone.

I know these things don’t work for everyone but I thought I’d share as some people have also found them helpful - especially with scared children. The only part I struggle with now is taking off, I actually enjoy being in the air now. I even flew alone on Friday the 13th in seat 13 without too much anxiety! There are obviously a lot of superstitious people because it was very very cheap.

What happened today is an absolute tragedy but it’s made the news because of how rare it is. I hope the injured people pull through and my heart goes out to the family of the man who died.

allthelittleangelsriseupriseup · 21/05/2024 20:57

Well I have experienced exactly what happened to the Singapore plane. I was 11, it was 1975 and I was flying BOAC from Heathrow to Sri Lanka via Muscat in the Arabian Gulf. We had just taken off from Muscat after refuelling - it was about 03:00 in the morning. There had been no a/c in the airport terminal and it was 40°C, so the flight attendant was pushing a trolley with cold drinks along the aisle when we hit Clear Air Turbulence and dropped like a brick - everything that wasn't strapped down hit the ceiling, and that included the flight attendant and the full drinks trolley!
We hit the bottom of the air pocket, about 600ft according to the pilot and everything that shot up to the ceiling, came raining down again.
There had been absolutely no warning whatsoever beforehand.
Amazingly there were only minor injuries because we were all strapped in as we were still climbing and even the flight attendant only had some cuts and bruises.
Always kept my seat belt fastened after that.

Ginmonkeyagain · 21/05/2024 21:02

This is why I always wear my seatbelt on flights, even when the seat belt light is off.

Abeona · 21/05/2024 21:14

Freespirit44 · 21/05/2024 17:59

Posting for traffic.

Since I have heard the news I am absolutely terrified.

I am a VERY anxious flyer. For this reason I haven't flown in over seven years.

The news of this tragedy has triggered me as i have a short haul flight next week from the UK.

Anyone else feel the same?

You need to get your head around actual risk, OP. Statistically you are far, far more likely to die falling downstairs, crossing a road or driving in the next month than you are flying — let alone from dying as a result of turbulence. That's so unlikely you might as well forget it, particularly if you keep your seatbelt on when you're seated. Flying is the safest form of transport.

Start thinking rationally. I do hope you're not teaching your children, if you have them, to allow irrational fear to rule their lives.

IncessantNameChanger · 21/05/2024 21:24

I think I'd have a heart attack from the stress. I have been in turbulence where people was crying and some screaming and it's never been enough to cause injuries. Sometimes the cabin crew have crouched on the floor too. Weirdly going Singapour as well.

I can't imagine how bad this must have been.

Unfortunately to see the world you normally have to fly so it won't stop me from flying but I understand the fear

Pollipops1 · 21/05/2024 21:30

It’s quite normal to take your seat belt off to go to the toilet, stretch your legs or when getting something from the overhead locker plus the drop happened without much warning. Having a seatbelt on helps of course but it’s not a guarantee you avoid injury. If there is a hostess next to you with a trolley you could easily get hit by something, or by your neighbours iPad or bags stuffed under the seats etc.

LibbyL92 · 21/05/2024 21:32

I fly frequently and if there’s anything I’ve taken from this horrific tragedy is to always keep my seatbelt on moving forward.

I’ve Always removed it once the signs go off.

bananaramaterry · 21/05/2024 21:32

Remember OP the plane was fine, just wear your seatbelt.

Claricestarling1 · 21/05/2024 21:34

I know it’s not easy to overcome flying nerves but just think of how many thousands of flights are going along without incident every day, year after year. Turbulence is very common and I try and think of it as bumps in the road as a pp said above.
This level of turbulence is so rare, I’ve flown that leg many times and it won’t put me off, I actually booked the same flight again today and with Singapore Airlines..if nothing else it proves their
planes are well made! As stated above just be sure to keep your belt on but you’ll be absolutely fine, happy travels!