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Team building days- do you hate them?

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Stressedgiraffe · 21/05/2024 06:56

Inspire by a thread.
Why is there so much hate about team building days?
I've attended loads and organised some.
Usually they are ok, even fun sometimes but I've been lucky and generally like the people I work with. Some when I don't really like the team have been horrible.
I've got a team building event next week and will be doing everything that everyone seems to hate : travelling on the bank holiday to get there. 6 hours travel time. Staying in a hotel for 2 nights. 2 day team building . Travel 6 hours back.
But I'm looking forward to it. Hopefully it'll be fun.
So I guess my aibu
Aibu- team building is ok even fun!
Ainbu- team building is the spawn of the devil and all should be banned!

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EmpressaurusOfCats · 21/05/2024 14:19

Pistachiovillian · 21/05/2024 13:45

I remember one I went to where we all had to watch a video of some blokes who worked on a market stall selling fish. The 'theme' was that, no matter how stereotypically boring/bad one's job was, you can have fun with it.

Then we had to all discuss it.

The problem was, the 'fun' these blokes had encompassed throwing the fish to each other, banging them about, juggling with them and things such as that.

Of the vegans/vegetarians on the team-one was crying and the other was livid and walked out.

I was a bit upset at seeing it myself if I am honest-found it disrespectful to the animal but also crass and pretty gross, and how it worked for a corporate team set up to provide bills to new customers I have no idea. I didn't need my job to be 'fun'! I was supervisor and as long as the job was done and the staff happy I didn't care!

Has anyone else watched it? It was literally called 'Fish' I believe?

Sounds absolutely awful & presumably most of the fish were unsaleable at the end of it so they’d been caught for nothing? Crap.

Pistachiovillian · 21/05/2024 14:29

@EmpressaurusOfCats it WAS awful. I hope to god it is no longer in use. The video showed them chucking the fish in bags for customers, so I assume they were sold! Could all have been for the filming of course. I really should have put in some sort of complaint but I was young and already struggling (not with the job but with awful management) so I didn't. Just awful. And I very much doubt it changed anything for any of us. I think of those of us that weren't upset or annoyed about it, they found it mildly amusing and walked away thinking 'WTF was all that about', and I don't blame them.

As an aside, I did say to my fellow supervisors that I felt it wasn't appropriate, and that I personally didn't like seeing animals being thrown about as a form of 'fun'. One of them didn't know what I was talking about and emailed me back when the penny finally dropped that 'Fish aren't animals so that's why I didn't know what you meant'.

He thought 'animal' meant 'a land creature'. Dude had a degree. Memorable day for sure.

juniorspesh · 21/05/2024 14:29

I am still, 12 years later, fuming about one I had to attend.

Working at a charity in a non-management role. I was studying for a MA in the evenings - really hard work but rewarding. It was two weeks before my dissertation was due so I was really knuckling down in every available free moment.

We had this 2-day team building event. In London, where I lived. I asked the chief exec if I could possibly just attend the day sessions and go home in the evening. She said no, if I did that I’d be in trouble and laid on a big guilt trip about how some people were travelling across the country etc.

So I stayed in this silly Holiday Inn in and the evening session which it was so critical I didn’t miss was…a super-cringe murder mystery featuring a white actor playing a Chinese character in yellow-face. Unbelievable. Sat there silently fuming.

Charity went bust within a year.

SpikyCoconut · 21/05/2024 14:41

@Immemorialelms I think those assumptions can be part of the issue. I have worked from home quite happily for several years now. I don't not do my job well and I am not suspicious of anybody. What works for some doesn't for others-people in charge need to remember that. If my work started trying to make me engage more face to face I'd look for different work. I am introverted by nature (although I am sociable and like to have a chat over Teams, and get along with everyone) and I do not want to be dragging myself to places unnecessarily-it just causes me one big stress. I know I am far from the only one!

LuckysDadsHat · 21/05/2024 14:44

And what do people do who have no childcare for 2 nights over half term do with their kids for this "team building"?

No way would I be giving up my bank holiday for this. I would just say I had pre booked plans that can't be changed.

I hate them but fine if they are during normal working hours for a few hours, to expect someone to give up a bank holiday, and 2 nights, nope not a chance I would attend.

skippy67 · 21/05/2024 14:46

I hate them. Waste of my time and my money. Civil service so "the company" doesn't pay for any of it. Why should I be out of pocket to spend "valuable " time out of the office with people I can see every day for free in work? Nah, fuck that.

UghFletcher · 21/05/2024 14:48

I'm on a 2 day team building event next week. It's mandatory (god knows why) but I'd rather shit in my hands and clap.

It takes 2 days away where I could be doing more valuable work (I'm part time anyway so time is precious) and I'm going to have to make small talk with people and do activities around company values (yawn)

This is also in half term because work didn't even consider that might be awkward for people to find childcare.

GoodHeavens99 · 21/05/2024 14:50

Stressedgiraffe · 21/05/2024 06:56

Inspire by a thread.
Why is there so much hate about team building days?
I've attended loads and organised some.
Usually they are ok, even fun sometimes but I've been lucky and generally like the people I work with. Some when I don't really like the team have been horrible.
I've got a team building event next week and will be doing everything that everyone seems to hate : travelling on the bank holiday to get there. 6 hours travel time. Staying in a hotel for 2 nights. 2 day team building . Travel 6 hours back.
But I'm looking forward to it. Hopefully it'll be fun.
So I guess my aibu
Aibu- team building is ok even fun!
Ainbu- team building is the spawn of the devil and all should be banned!

I loathe them with the white heat of a thousand suns!

HoldingTheDoor · 21/05/2024 15:23

The video showed them chucking the fish in bags for customers, so I assume they were sold! Could all have been for the filming of course. I really should have put in some sort of complaint but I was young and already struggling (not with the job but with awful management) so I didn't. Just awful. And I very much doubt it changed anything for any of us. I think of those of us that weren't upset or annoyed about it, they found it mildly amusing and walked away thinking 'WTF was all that about', and I don't blame them.

That’s Pike Place Market in Seattle. As far as I know they still throw the fish. They’re famous for it. It wasn’t just done for the video.

Pistachiovillian · 21/05/2024 15:26

That's one good thing to know at least @HoldingTheDoor !

Pistachiovillian · 21/05/2024 18:02

@Stressedgiraffe your AIBU options are confusing. I Suspect a lot of people will have selected the one they don't agree with so the poll won't have validity.

@MonsteraMama and @grinandslothit that's how I feel too truth be told.

I've been ostracised in work places for not wanting to go out and socialise with colleagues-it may be great for those who don't have friends/a life and sometimes there's a valid reason (such as having recently relocated for example) but most of us are busy enough with our own, established friends/families/children and activities outside of work. We don't deserve to be 'cast out' because we don't particularly want to become 'bezzie mates' with Matilda from accounts or get drunk on a Friday night with our 'team'-if I want to get drunk, I'd do it with people I know and trust and have things to talk about with.

Friendships cannot be forced. You might get talking to someone at one of these activities and become friendly rather than just colleagues but you could as easily do that at the water dispenser/getting a coffee after a 'real' meeting.

Yes to this *Im not fucking interested in the fucking animal Karen from accounts would be and why, neither do I care about the interesting unknown fact about Brian from IT.

Hideous.*

Agree with the PP who said you cannot be yourself at these events. You have to be your work self with maybe a slightly more relaxed (often fake) demeanor. Depending on who's in charge, the one who gets the most drunk/loud/aggressive is the one chosen for promotion because of their 'oh so fun' personality or it may be the one who naturally 'takes the lead'. I am much more likely to take the lead on a project or task I am familiar with and have new ideas on, in the office than I am at a kayaking event, because the latter makes me nervous and self-conscious. I signed up for the job, not the forced fun crap so it falsely represents people and their skills.

@Stressedgiraffe most of those things sound like a nightmare. I'd be up for the posh hotel but I'd much rather do it with people I choose to spend time with not some random colleagues-and if I drank more than two alcoholic drinks I'd be anxious as hell the next day about what I came across like!

I also completely agree with this It does the precise opposite of what it is meant to do. It encourages too much drinking and encourages inappropriate romances and affairs. It also discourages work/life balance and takes people away from their families. It also builds cliques of extroverts rather than teams, which should be inclusive. This is WHY they're wrong on so many levels.

I refused to do a role-playing exercise once. I just hate them, I am not particularly shy or stand offish or rude or anything else it may have made me look like. I just do not get paid enough to do things I utterly hate.

A dance class is my idea of hell, with colleagues although I have been to some alone and enjoyed them-the point is I had a choice!

Stressedgiraffe · 21/05/2024 18:18

Well for those who hate them - which seems like everyone my team away day has taken an 'oh fuck' turn.
Just been sent a 100 question personality test- one of those 1 disagree 10 agree with wanky statements- I love maths/ I put others before myself
Argh
It's to help with groupings and tasks.
At least the hotel looks nice.

And for those commenting it's my first day of my new job. I dont mind it being a bh I'm not doing anything.
Dh can look after dcs who as it's half-term will probably just sleep in. Dogs and cats will be ok.

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frankentall · 21/05/2024 18:23

Just put 10 for everything.

frankentall · 21/05/2024 18:28

Thinking about this - this team building shite is the grown up version of school sports day - pointless shite done to pretend it's character building by unimaginative berks in charge who are secretly sadists.

ClonedSquare · 21/05/2024 18:29

I don't mind team building days in my office or nearby. I absolutely wouldn't do a 12 hour round trip for one or travel on a bank holiday for one. You sound like a mug to be willing to do that, to be honest.

RitaIncognita · 21/05/2024 18:42

We "team build" by doing the work of the team. That's all the team building I want or need.

Legomania · 21/05/2024 18:42

I quite like them, but that is because I work with /for a nice bunch of people, am not usually so busy that I can't fit it in without a big chunk of overtime, and we usually start late and finish early to accommodate travel.

Agree that MN skews towards people who would rather eat worms on toast than interact with their colleagues.

Travelling on a bank holiday would be a big no for me, however, but I know my company would never call on us to do so

Longma · 21/05/2024 18:46

I want to do my job - which I enjoy - and go home.
I normally work at home too, so it's not just that I want to get away from work totally.

I want to spend my down time with my family and chosen friends, doing activities I have chosen to do.

And a lot of the time these events take you away from doing you're actual work - which is still building up in the mean time, so will need to work even more when back to catch up again.

If these things were genuinely necessary and important they would take place wholly within work hours, yet they rarely do!

I don't need to spend 12 hours travelling, stay away from home for 2 nights and take part in activities I haven't chosen to be a good team player and efficient, effective employee,

Screamingabdabz · 21/05/2024 18:46

Making staff travel on a bank holiday would eradicate any kind of team morale you’d hope to create. I’d feel murderous about that alone. That’s before the bullshit mind games. And I like my team!

Sunshineandpinkclouds · 21/05/2024 18:49

I have one coming up and it's on my non work day. I could have said no but there is a strong message that attendance is expected. I have decided to put up with it for 4 hours and then I will get time off in lieu (and do something I want to do)

Longma · 21/05/2024 18:50

Stressedgiraffe · 21/05/2024 07:22

I guessing my current job it's a chance to catch up with people I don't see regularly as I wfh. And to talk to directors and the SLT and get my face and name known.
We've done a few things go karting, darts and crystal maze. Also a night in posh hotel and a few drinks with colleagues. We're a close team who even eat breakfast together.
I'm changing jobs so the trip next week will be interesting, long travel but nice hotel .

See I don't feel my workplace needs that.

We get a genuine lunch break which most people take, and are encouraged to take. We sit in a staffroom and chat. Senior leaders sit and chat with the other staff in the same space, at the same level. Just chatting about TV and films, where we've eaten out recently or going on holiday to, and all manner of chatty nonsense,

And when we choose to we have the odd drinks and/or food out after work, and the odd occasional optional weekend/holiday event.

Are the activities genuinely inclusive and enable everyone to access them equally?

DerekFaker · 21/05/2024 18:52

I hate them. I hate playing silly, childish games unless I am getting drunk with my friends. They are just so cringe-enducing and I get nothing out of them.

User135644 · 21/05/2024 18:53

An introverts nightmare.

Longma · 21/05/2024 18:59

Are people being paid for their time outside of their normal working hours? Weekend/bank holiday/evenings/early mornings - any extra for the amount of money being spent?

How are people expected to travel? Is all travel expenses being covered?

What would happen if someone just said no?

lhlh · 21/05/2024 19:03

It all depends on what you have going on at home. Kids, pets, elderly parents desperately needing you. I have all three of those so I’d be furious and stressed about attending something like that.

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