To be really, really pleased about the explicit ban on the proactive teaching of gender identity?

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It's just such madness that we even got here. My family has been badly affected by activists pushing this madness on my Autistic son, who now half believes he's a girl because some nitwit came into the school and told him people who feel uncomfortable and like they don't belong are trans (not maybe gay, not maybe Autistic, not maybe just Puberty, but trans)

I won't apologise for wanting to safeguard children. This is not a Section 28 thing, it really is protecting vulnerable kids.

"Gender identity
The guidance will introduce an explicit ban on the proactive teaching of gender identity. It will say that the idea that children can change their gender by using different names, pronouns and wearing the uniform of the opposite sex is highly contested. If pressed by pupils, they should instead focus on the facts of biological sex.
Teaching children about gender identity could lead to them questioning their own gender when they may not have done otherwise, the guidance will suggest. Children can be taught the law about gender reassignment — that people can legally change their gender from the age of 18 — but children will be told that that they cannot legally be classified as members of the opposite sex."

More info on the changes https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4a2b0d57-13c9-409a-a40b-104d7a0499b2?shareToken=ed46490f36a6c9fbb0f70d6bf03c0a99

All I can say is thank goodness my children are too old to have been taught all this nonsense and grooming

And a lot of old school transsexuals would have described themselves this way.

None of the TRA crowd ever seemed that bothered that transsexuals' identities have been hijacked by abusive straight males. There are a few brave transsexuals trying to stand up against the cult like mantras but they do have a hard time. Remember when Miranda Yardley was taken to court for transphobia?

https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/17475551.transgender-miranda-yardley-innocent-hate-crime/

Children should be taught to be respectful of others and reject gender norms such as pink for girls blue for boys.

They should be told that anyone of either sex can do a any job, such as boys can be nurses and girls can be mechanics.

They should be taught that some men want to live as if they are women and some women want to live as if they were men. This is absolutely fine and we should embrace this and be respectful.

What they should never be taught is that you can change your sex by modifying your body. In the news recently there was a piece about a zoo in China, where they had painted dogs to look like pandas. They looked like baby pandas but they aren’t genetically pandas.

Trans activists and gender ideologues can't get away with calling people who don't agree with them 'anti-trans' anymore, the days of no-debate and trying to hitch gender madness to the LGB movement are over.

I agree with you that gender-critical thinking is here to stay and should definitely be taught in school, although it didn't need a name before, it just meant people understood biological reality, and it was so obvious that it didn't need to be stated to impressionable children that sex is immutable.

Children should be taught to be respectful of others and reject gender norms such as pink for girls blue for boys.

Maybe the adults could stop those ridiculous pink or blue 'gender' reveals to start with. That would help. The poor kid is put in a stereotypical box before it's even born! And you know those are the sort of parents that are going to perpetuate these stereotypes. That's probably where education should really start - with the parents.

What in the? Mumsnet is PRO WOMENS RIGHTS, not 'anti-trans', unless you personally are admitting that to be pro-trans means you must be anti-women? And this site is far from an echo chamber - poll (official YouGov ones, not merely twitter and right wing sites) after poll after poll after poll show the overwhelming majority of women while supporting general trans rights (the same as everyone else's basic rights), believe the single sex spaces should remain segregated by sex. This, is the ovewhelming view of the overwhelming majority of the western world. Over the years, the pro-single sex spaces majority has increased, and the pro-gender neutral/unisex/transwomen can access single sex females have decreased each year. A recent poll in the last week showed two thirds of residents of Scotland agree with JK Rowling.

It's actually the Gender Identity Ideology view that is in an ever-decreasing minority.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say why is it even necessary to teach that in school? I finished secondary school only 7 years ago and wasn't taught about it so I'm hardly ancient.

And don't say it's about teaching that people are different because there are TONS of more common types of different people that we don't teach in school because we're busy teaching things that kids go to school to learn about ie maths science etc.
A simple message of don't bully people because they are different should suffice.

I for one feel sorry for anyone that transitioned as a child over the last ten years I'm glad the tide is beginning to turn and the "trend" seems to be ending. Give it a few more years and law suits and documentaries will be made about it, which doesn't really need to be taught to school kids btw I wasn't taught about thalidomide babies for example till I did health care at college

It's more that children are likely to ask about it, so you need a stock answer ready. I agree it's not something that needs to be explicitly taught or brought up by teachers, but kids love to throw you curveballs, especially in RSE! I've curated quite a collection of stock answers to awkward questions over the years...

What in the? Mumsnet is PRO WOMENS RIGHTS, not 'anti-trans', unless you personally are admitting that to be pro-trans means you must be anti-women?

Also pro children's rights to express themselves how they like - without anyone telling girls that liking stereotypically male things actually makes them a boy - or vice versa

I for one feel sorry for anyone that transitioned as a child over the last ten years I'm glad the tide is beginning to turn and the "trend" seems to be ending. Give it a few more years and law suits and documentaries will be made about it

Me too. We're heading into some very rough years with the lawsuits.

I agree. It was a fashionable trend and hopefully that trend will die out and normality will resume.
Funny how when growing up there wasn't all these people trapped in the wrong body BS. Sure there are some genuine cases but not anything like what's exploded over the last few years. Also hoping that the pronouns nonsense follows suit too.

As always the default to It's just like Section 28 when it is absolutely nothing like that.

The intolerance you speak of comes from the Gender Ideologues, take it up with them.

As always the default to It's just like Section 28when it is absolutelynothinglike that.

The intolerance you speak of comes from the Gender Ideologues, take it up with them.

Yes, take it up with homophobic Stonewall.

What in the? Mumsnet is PRO WOMENS RIGHTS, not 'anti-trans', unless you personally are admitting that to be pro-trans means you must be anti-women? And this site is far from an echo chamber - poll (official YouGov ones, not merely twitter and right wing sites) after poll after poll after poll show the overwhelming majority of women while supporting general trans rights (the same as everyone else's basic rights), believe the single sex spaces should remain segregated by sex. This, is the ovewhelming view of the overwhelming majority of the western world. Over the years, the pro-single sex spaces majority has increased, and the pro-gender neutral/unisex/transwomen can access single sex females have decreased each year. A recent poll in the last week showed two thirds of residents of Scotland agree with JK Rowling.

It's actually the Gender Identity Ideology view that is in an ever-decreasing minority.

Absolutely. The desperate scrabbling around by the proponents of Gender Identity Ideology is getting more desperate by the day - attempting to discredit the Cass review, bleating about Section 28, accusing anyone who disagrees with them of being right wing, far right, fascist, fundamental Christian, etc., etc.

@RhiWrites " The percentages mean nothing. Mumsnet is an echo chamber for this. It’s well known to be anti trans. And anyone posting otherwise is slated."

Relatively Mumsnet is way more balanced than some other online spaces. I tried talking about this subject in the Guardian comments and got banned for life. Now that's how you make an echo chamber.

I disagree - I think that this nonsense of censoring what our children can and can't be taught in schools because of some people's objections is the start of a slippery slope. Not all sexual abuse will be prevented by the pants rule, and we shouldn't be limiting any opportunities to make sure children get access to as much information as they need.
It's fair to let parents choose to exclude their child from any sex Ed at school but I don't agree that they get to also exclude the rest of our children from education that we aren't objecting to.

That's not at all the point. Teaching children what healthy and consensual sex is (age appropriately) allows them to further identify what is wrong, what is unhealthy, what an adult is doing to them as a ten year old is not how it's meant to be and helps them to build a picture to understand what is potentially happening to them is wrong.
A pre teen being groomed by an adult needs to know that what they are experiencing shouldn't be happening between an adult and a child and teaching them what a healthy experience is is one tool to do so.

@LilyBartsHatShop there is no guaranteed way. There is only multiple tools, used to teach different children in different ways.
Those tools should not be collateral damage to your war on trans agenda.

It's fair to let parents choose to exclude their child from any sex Ed at school but I don't agree that they get to also exclude the rest of our children from education that we aren't objecting to.

But a lot of parents do object to it being at too young an age. If you want different, you are free to teach your own children about these matters as early as you want to. Sexualising all primary age children is not the answer.

As pp said, abuse and sexual activity in young children is a safeguarding concern and IMO in individual children should be dealt with via that framework. We shouldn't think of it as the norm.

Except when a child expresses themselves by saying that they want to identify as a boy but they are biologically a girl, right?

But they aren't a boy, are they?

And what's more, doing that isn't neutral. It requires other children to prop up the imaginations within a classmate's head. That is unfair, it's adultification, and it's a safeguarding concern. It's helping to lock in an identity that - as we know from Cass and the WPATH leaks - harms the trans-identified child.

The percentages mean nothing. Mumsnet is an echo chamber for this. It’s well known to be anti trans. And anyone posting otherwise is slated.

People voting in an anonymous poll aren't being "slated". You are naive if you think this vote doesn't reflect what many people think.

Girls can express themselves as a boy, or a superhero, or a tiger. It's up to the adults to recognise that this is exploration through play, not to tell the girl that she is indeed a boy, superhero or tiger.