To be really, really pleased about the explicit ban on the proactive teaching of gender identity?

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It's just such madness that we even got here. My family has been badly affected by activists pushing this madness on my Autistic son, who now half believes he's a girl because some nitwit came into the school and told him people who feel uncomfortable and like they don't belong are trans (not maybe gay, not maybe Autistic, not maybe just Puberty, but trans)

I won't apologise for wanting to safeguard children. This is not a Section 28 thing, it really is protecting vulnerable kids.

"Gender identity
The guidance will introduce an explicit ban on the proactive teaching of gender identity. It will say that the idea that children can change their gender by using different names, pronouns and wearing the uniform of the opposite sex is highly contested. If pressed by pupils, they should instead focus on the facts of biological sex.
Teaching children about gender identity could lead to them questioning their own gender when they may not have done otherwise, the guidance will suggest. Children can be taught the law about gender reassignment — that people can legally change their gender from the age of 18 — but children will be told that that they cannot legally be classified as members of the opposite sex."

More info on the changes https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4a2b0d57-13c9-409a-a40b-104d7a0499b2?shareToken=ed46490f36a6c9fbb0f70d6bf03c0a99

They should be honest and say it's impossible to transition to the other sex. They can adopt ways stereotypically associated with the other sex in terms of dress, names etc but transitioning is impossible, no matter what body modifications you do to yourself.

Time to stop lying.

They'll have to explain the law. It's in here:

consult.education.gov.uk/rshe-team/review-of-the-rshe-statutory-guidance/supporting_documents/Draft%20RSE%20and%20Health%20Education%20statutory%20guidance.pdf#page11

The way I always explained it to children who asked (I was a Year 6 teacher before my daughter was born) was that some people decide to take hormones and have surgery to appear more like the opposite sex, and that they are known as transgender. I didn't feel it was necessary to go into any more detail than that.

I may be going against popular opinion but (with the exception of a few kids) education on gender identity isn’t going to make all kids decide to change gender or become confused. Surely its intention is to help them become more understanding and inclusive of others? In fairness I think the approach may be wrong but if the outcome is that kids are more accepting of those who don’t fit into ‘gender norms’ then it can only be a good thing?
my son has struggled with being bullied because of his friend group who are entirely female and is constantly asked by kids if he’s gay or trans which may have been avoided if his classmates had benefited from some education on being kind and accepting.

I agree. It should be normalised that rejecting gender norms is fine. Boys can play with dolls and wear dresses, girls can have short hair, wear trousers and play football. What they shouldn't be teaching is boys are actually girls in the wrong body and vice versa.

I think this would be like saying, we need to teach all primary aged children about childhood cancers because this will help them identify symptoms and contact their healthcare providers for investiagtion.

Children can no more be held responsible for identifying abuse and seeking interventions from professionals than they can be for identifying serious pathology and seeking healthcare interventions.

I think there's an emotional comfort in clinging to the the idea that "education" has the magical power to stop abuses. They're children, they're vulnerable, if adults can't look after them things are going to go badly for them.

This.

This a much better way to approach it

Teaching children to be more accepting of those who don't fit into gender norms is a very good thing, and will still happen through learning about gender stereotyping in PSHE.

Teaching children that anyone who doesn't fit into gender norms is automatically trans (which only serves to validate those gender norms- if they like dresses, they must 'really' be a girl, because boys can't like dresses) and that therefore they must undergo medical intervention to 'fix' their bodies is a very bad thing.

A child asking another child if they are gay or trans is not unkind or unaccepting. They are just curious. Help him to come up with a stock answer he is comfortable with.

To be fair, schools do this through PSHE lessons on gender stereotyping, but it is somewhat undermined by gender identity ideology!

I agree with this, I think it's good if kids learn we aren't always the same. Would hopefully lead to more understanding and acceptance against people they deem "different" to the so called norm.

Education does protect children from harm, this is what the evidence shows us.

Kids do learn that people aren't always the same! It's a huge focus of the primary PSHE curriculum.

Teaching about diversity will not be impacted by no longer teaching about gender identity ideology.

Yep that’s a good way to do it

Agreed.

I agree. It should be normalised that rejecting gender norms is fine. Boys can play with dolls and wear dresses, girls can have short hair, wear trousers and play football. What they shouldn't be teaching is boys are actually girls in the wrong body and vice versa.

Of course. Isn't this the most obvious thing in the world? How on earth did society get diverted from this to 'born in the wrong body'?

I know. It's wild.

Ikr the GRA legislation has created this mess

It's piss poor legislation and needs amendment, those politicians who voted it through should hang their heads in shame.

They should be told that gender stereotyping is wrong and if a man wants to wear a dress and call himself Fleur instead of Frank, that is absolutely fine. But he's still a male-bodied person.

*Changing sex is impossible.
No one should be taught that it is.

No kid should be taught that Stereotypes define their gender either*

This

@GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight You cannot even remotely compare LGB struggle. LGB didn't see a 6000% (six thousand percent!) increase in people saying they are LGB. LGB struggle didn't involve stopping necessary puberty, advocate children be put on hormones or have double mastectomies. LGB struggle didn't seek to put gay males in lesbian women spaces.

It's entirely disingenuous to compare the two.

This WAS the norm a few decades ago. Gender ideology and its proponents have tried to take us back many, many years. It’s mind blowing that it needs to be stated.

The percentages mean nothing. Mumsnet is an echo chamber for this. It’s well known to be anti trans. And anyone posting otherwise is slated.

The reality is that the government is now espousing an anti trans ideology to attempt to capture a fringe issue vote. It’s a small but vocal minority that believe this is a bad thing, but it’s excellent at getting its voice heard. Activism in getting people to fill out polls and consultation has really swung the pendulum. But to those reading with silent horror, I assure you it will swing back.

Gender critical thinking is here to stay, like recognised homosexuality and, for that matter, the rights of women. It should be taught in schools along with age appropriate sex education and understanding of how puberty affects your body in visible and invisible ways.

I think you mean straight males, but otherwise, yes, 100% this!

The percentages mean nothing. Mumsnet is an echo chamber for this. It’s well known to be anti trans. And anyone posting otherwise is slated.

Any examples of this 'anti-trans-ness'? I hope you reported them.