To be angry so many girls schools are going Co-Ed?

[FaeryRing]

Yet again it’s been proven girls do better in single sex schools (I have a son as well as a daughter so please don’t think I’m ’hating on boys’).

https://amp.theguardian.com/education/article/2024/may/12/girls-do-better-in-exams-at-all-girls-schools-than-mixed-research-finds

In my hometown growing up there were 4 girls schools. 1 grammar, 1 private, and 2 regular secondaries, meaning pretty much all parents regardless of background had access to single sex education for their daughters if they wanted it.

2 have announced their plans to go Co-Ed, with 1 already having done so, leaving just 1 (the grammar, so working class girls will be inherently disadvantaged). This seems to be a pattern across the country.

AIBU to be angry this is happening? Can’t girls have anything to themselves?

I'm shocked by some of the bullying videos out there tbh. Boys are more likely to fight each other but the humiliation girls go for is worse.

In places like China it seems fairly common for groups of girls to pick on another and strip her naked while filming and then post it online for everyone to see. I'd imagine the reason it doesn't happen here is because the police would get involved. I've never heard of boys doing this.

Absolutely and that was why I started the thread. But that’s been lost among stories of bitchy girls, anorexia and slut shaming.

You can choose to pay for the luxury of a special education. State schools should be open to ALL children within the catchment area.

So no grammars, no single sex, just mixed comprehensives?

Nobody is trying to restrict choice. It's just down to supply and demand.

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Why not?
A decent standard of education should be open to all.

That is exactly the situation in many areas now! No choice of single sex, grammar or anything academically selective. Just mixed ability comprehensives. The state provision should offer equal choice across the country and shouldn’t be postcode dependent.

You mean people have pointed put some of the realities of girls only schools, which you want to write off because you didn't experience it personally (I hope you didn't).

No, if that’s their experience then it is, but it’s a self selecting sample and if you hop over to the feminism thread all the experiences are really positive. My experience was fantastic.

Equal choice or just one size fits all?

Rights of girls. When were single sex schools considered a right? 🤔The vast majority of parents and students don’t want them.

They hadn't had any meaningful interactions with boys. Not everyone had brothers, and not everyone mixed with boys in their extracurriculars (not all extracurriculars are team activities, and not all have time for socialising built-in, especially when it's the sort of activity aimed at high performers).

At the milder end of the scale, there were some girls whose lives revolved around their new boyfriends. They lost their personalities and some of them sacrificed their own studying to the extent that they dropped a grade. The ones who ended up with 2:2s (and in a couple of a cases, a third) must have faced more challenges starting a career after university. I'm not in touch with them, so have no idea where they ended up.

At the worst end of the scale, I'm talking about issues to do with 'consent' rather than enthusiastic consent. I'm not going to spell it out.

Everyone forms an opinion based on their own unscientific anecdotal experience. For me, there's no way I'd recommend single-sex education having seen so many young women lose part of their sparkle as a direct consequence of it.

Again, your example is also 'self selecting'.

You see this on Mn threads all the time. It’s a wider sexism issue, I’m betting they didn’t mainly go to single sex schools.

No but some of us do and we should be able to keep that choice rather than having it removed.

In my experience of being at a high achieving girls school, this is correct - devoid of boys, it was just the norm for girls to achieve and to be top of the class, in all subjects.

Sorry, did you really think this argument through before posting it? At an all-girls school, of course girls were at the top of the class in every subject! Perhaps you failed to notice that all the lowest-achieving pupils were also all girls. If this is the education you get at an all-girls school, I'll stick with co-ed! 😂

Thats not how it works. Schools don’t run at a loss (private)or extra expense (state) for a tiny minority or parents. They’re unpopular for a reason.

You're coming across as anti men now op

Yeah, but feminists talk a lot of shit tbf. 🤣

(NAFALT obviously)

@FaeryRing

Are you actually saying you would rather your daughter had an eating disorder than have her schooling disrupted by boys.

That absolutely disgusting and you should be throughly ashamed of yourself.

Have you any idea how it feels to have an ED or parents child that does???? Disgraceful

What do you mean?

The young women in my example went to single-sex schools. I know this because it happened to come up in Freshers' Week. It stuck in my mind because, for me, this was an unusual background to have.

If you mean the young men in my example (i.e. the boyfriends) - I have no idea. I either didn't know them or only knew them on a very superficial level, so I don't know if they also went to single-sex schools or mixed ones.

My awful exH confessed to me one day that when young he and his mates would target girls that came from single sex schools because they were either "naive or easy" 🤢 I assume he alluded to girls being either less comfortable with their male counterparts at uni or finding them a foreign novelty. My experience with my DD and her friends going to a mixed secondary vs the girls at the local single sex school is that they are less likely to think of boys as different, have experience of working on projects and playing sport together and less boy-obsessed than the girls only school. My personal opinion is that mixed schools reflect the real world.

Why?
Why are girls rights to be educated in that state school more important than boys rights to be educated in that school?
If you want selective education then pay for it.

Why does that interaction have to be at school though?
Are we all meant to be learning or socialising (or rather learning how to act in a man's world for their benefit)?