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DH ‘banter’ with woman we know

74 replies

GettingOnMyTits · 08/05/2024 16:01

Just after some advice on a situation which might sound like a bit of a non-situation, but is causing me some annoyance.

My DH does a hobby that involves a lot of weekends away, I enjoy going along, so it’s become a bit of a family hobby and we have met a network of friends through it.
There’s a couple a similar age to us - the guy does the hobby and his GF often comes along. Increasingly my DH and this GF have been ‘bantering’ a lot in a way that looks to me like high school flirting - constant joke insults to each other etc. They were doing it a lot at a recent event, and now in the comments of a social media post. I’m starting to feel a bit annoyed by it. We rarely see them and don’t live nearby - I don’t think they’re about to embark on a steamy affair or anything, I just don’t want to feel (or look to others) disrespected. I never do similar with her partner, we have a laugh in the group in general but nothing like slinging joke insults at each other. We’re all late 30’s, for context - it’s all a bit silly.

My DH is very anti-cheating and I’m sure won’t view this as flirting, I think he would be horrified if someone actually came on to him. However, I feel he sometimes lacks respect for me in his actions, and is very defensive and dismissive when I bring up feelings that include any criticism of him, real or perceived. We haven’t been in a great place recently. So I’m hesitant to bring it up with him. As for the woman, I do like her apart from this and we do get on - but I can’t say I 100%, unreservedly like and trust her - she’s given me more than a few backhanded compliments and has been quite patronising to me on occasion - out of earshot of others. She’s very much a ‘one of the boys’ type, and from comments she’s made I get the impression she’s insecure in some ways.

What’s annoying is this hobby has a big yearly event in a hot country that they all went along to last year and stayed together in a villa, it’s in term time so I didn’t go as DS had started school, we’ve moved to a new area away from family this year so although I could possibly go along, with lots of family favours called in to come over to pick up DS from school and look after him all weekend, I’m not sure I can be arsed. It would mean me spending a few hundred quid on flights and relying on (his) family goodwill, plus potentially unsettling DS when he’s just moved up a class. However the idea of DH and this woman’s ‘banter’ going on all weekend with her in a bikini, and me stuck at home with DS, is making me feel pretty icky.

Many years ago I struggled with bad jealousy in my early relationships, now after healing trauma, building self confidence and DH being generally trustworthy I feel I’m well past that, so it’s horrible to feel that old familiar sinking feeling in my chest about this.

So, I’m asking for opinions. Please be kind!

YABU - verbal banter doesn’t cross any lines, you’d be controlling by bringing it up. Just concentrate on doing things that improve your own self confidence and let them get on with it. If it does get too much, her partner will soon notice.

YANBU - if it makes you feel uncomfortable, it’s not ‘nothing’ and it’s right to bring it up with DH, you shouldn’t have to hide how you feel about their actions. Best nip it in the bud before it potentially causes embarrassment.

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MaryMack · 08/05/2024 16:11

Trust your gut. Tell your DH how uncomfortable this banter makes you feel. He might not be flirting, but I bet she is.

Allfur · 08/05/2024 16:16

Nice he's got a hobby abroad in term time! His life didn't change after kids then?

SallyWD · 08/05/2024 16:30

I know exactly the kind of banter you mean. It's very mild flirting, doesn't cross any lines but pretty obvious all the same. My DH once had this kind of banter with one of my friends (only on one night when we'd all had a few drinks, not usually). Although in a way it was completely harmless I still felt a bit weird about it. I knew it was just fun and neither intended for anything to happen but I just thought "Oh pack it in!". It was embarrassing! I think men only do it when they're attracted to a woman. I actually have no problem with my DH being attracted to other people (there are certain men I find attractive, that's natural). Your DH is probably attracted to this woman but it doesn't mean he has any intention of taking it further. I just feel people should make more of an effort to hide their attractions (particularly considering you and her DH are often around when this banter is going on!).

GettingOnMyTits · 08/05/2024 16:32

Allfur · 08/05/2024 16:16

Nice he's got a hobby abroad in term time! His life didn't change after kids then?

Yes, it is a bit like that. He works hard and long hours, so that’s always his response to me asking him to share the load a bit more - whereas I’ve had to change my role and hours after having DS. He’s also now turned this hobby into a business opportunity, so now it takes precedence over family stuff - it’s ‘work’.

I do feel fed up, that my life has to wrap around his and whatever he wants to do. The situation with this woman feels like adding insult to injury.

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Foggymcfogson · 08/05/2024 16:35

Just cringing reading it. Bet there is rolled eyes behind him.

Wheredidwegowrong · 08/05/2024 16:38

I'm not surprised you are finding this annoying. It is very disrespectful to you and I agree with pp that he is attracted to her.
I think you should be talking to him about how you feel. If he is as anti cheating as you say he is you would hope he should see that the relationship he is developing with this woman could be the start of a slippery slope into something closer.

EmmaPeele · 08/05/2024 16:39

Tell him exactly how you feel. He's your dh and should take your worries seriously. She sounds awful with her "backhanded compliments", he might not be flirting but she definitely is. My dh worked with a woman like that, she kept phoning him at home in the evening and I soon told him I wasn't happy. I felt really disrespected and I was left to look after the dcs, do bedtime etc whilst he laughed and chatted to her for ages. I wouldn't have carried on with another man like that. I'd either ask him not to go or do everything I could to go too. I'd also give her a few "backhanded compliments" and make sure she knew I'd got her card marked!

WhingeInTheWillows · 08/05/2024 16:41

I would have to say something to him. You might be sure he isn’t looking fir an affair but others in the group would notice and think there’s something going on or about to. I’d be embarrassed if others were thinking that.

icallitasplodge · 08/05/2024 16:47

EmmaPeele · 08/05/2024 16:39

Tell him exactly how you feel. He's your dh and should take your worries seriously. She sounds awful with her "backhanded compliments", he might not be flirting but she definitely is. My dh worked with a woman like that, she kept phoning him at home in the evening and I soon told him I wasn't happy. I felt really disrespected and I was left to look after the dcs, do bedtime etc whilst he laughed and chatted to her for ages. I wouldn't have carried on with another man like that. I'd either ask him not to go or do everything I could to go too. I'd also give her a few "backhanded compliments" and make sure she knew I'd got her card marked!

He’s doing this too. He is the one disrespecting OP. The other woman is merely existing in OP’s life, she is not married to OP. If he wanted to stop, he could have done, he isn’t a kitkat in a sweetshop waiting to be stolen.

EmmaPeele · 08/05/2024 16:52

@icallitasplodge Thats exactly why I advised her to tell him how she feels because he's her husband! Of course he's not some object "waiting to be stolen" he's a human being with his own free will but he's married, with kids and his own wife should be able to tell him how his behavior with this woman is upsetting her and ask him to stop!

GettingOnMyTits · 08/05/2024 17:06

Thank you for your comments, glad to know I’m not completely overreacting ❤️ I do feel increasingly f’d off about it - this social media post had a pic of them both together laughing their heads off about something, while I was off scurrying about on the sidelines looking after our child - and to see them commenting to each other under it has made me feel shit.

I’m still not sure how to proceed, whether to let them make a fool of themselves and just focus on myself, or try to talk to him. I worry it will just get shut down and dismissed by him though.

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EmmaPeele · 08/05/2024 17:25

@GettingOnMyTits You are definitely not being unreasonable. He is behaving like a love struck teenager, not a married man. Tell him straight that you aren't happy, no wife would be, don't let him make you feel as if it's you who has the problem. He'll probably be defensive and embarrassed but I'd let him know how humiliated it's making you feel and, if he's a decent guy, he'll stop this behaviour.

Reeceseggaddict · 08/05/2024 17:37

GettingOnMyTits · 08/05/2024 17:06

Thank you for your comments, glad to know I’m not completely overreacting ❤️ I do feel increasingly f’d off about it - this social media post had a pic of them both together laughing their heads off about something, while I was off scurrying about on the sidelines looking after our child - and to see them commenting to each other under it has made me feel shit.

I’m still not sure how to proceed, whether to let them make a fool of themselves and just focus on myself, or try to talk to him. I worry it will just get shut down and dismissed by him though.

Edited

You could point out that this woman’s husband might not take too kindly to their “banter”…. My ex used to do this with one woman and saying to him that “ bet your mate loves you for “bantering” with his wife” - he def was more bothered about his pal than disrespecting me.

it’s a childish way to banter and it’s easy for it to go over the line into offence too.

Passive aggressive ideas: ask someone (or you) to put a shocked emoji on these posts? Or you could post a laughing on hers. Or banter with them passive aggressively and put your own insults on in a similar vein “DH you’re such a dick” Or get his phone and put her on restricted on his friends list and she won’t see his things but will look like a friend! Childish ideas I know 😂

FredsRoses · 08/05/2024 17:54

I agree with all the others, and while you say that he's very much against cheating, he's not showing any signs of it in this scenario, is he, in fact, it sounds to me like he's actively encouraging it? I think you should have it out with him, and tell him that you don't want to go on this trip but would really rather he didn't go without you. If he doesn't feel he's doing anything wrong, showing him the responses from women on this thread.

CheapThrillsMeanNothing · 08/05/2024 18:05

My DH is very anti-cheating and I’m sure won’t view this as flirting,

Those you are very anti cheating are often the biggest cheaters.

EmmaPeele · 08/05/2024 18:19

@FredsRoses Brilliant answer!

nutbrownhare15 · 08/05/2024 18:39

I can see why you are reluctant to bring it up. It doesn't sound like he'd be very receptive if you did and would probably minimise your concerns like he's minimised his responsibility at home.

Olivia2495 · 08/05/2024 18:52

Does she slap his arm? They’ll be shoving and poking each other next.

Tell him he looks a fool and to knock it off.

needsomewarmsunshine · 08/05/2024 19:33

What a pair of twats they really are. When truth be known he's probably loving the attention and playing up to it.
Have it out with him, and take it from there.

Emptyheadlock · 08/05/2024 19:46

It's enough to make you uncomfortable therefore you need to voice it.

Both myself and dh banter with our friendship group. In no way could it ever be mistaken for flirting.

If I ever got that vibe I'd tell dh as I'd be really pissed off.

peacefull · 08/05/2024 20:30

Maybe they just get on really well and click with each other like good mates.
Or not.

Trulyme · 08/05/2024 20:51

Can you give some examples of the banter?

Its hard for any of us to say whether it’s appropriate or not because we’re not there.

It does sound a bit flirty but then again they’re both doing it in front of their partners.

If it was me I would ‘banter’ back and tell them to get a room together.

What is her partner doing when this is happening?
I assume he can see the SM posts too.

Amx · 08/05/2024 21:47

No I wouldn't just stay quiet. I'd be telling him what I thought.

Coldupnorth87 · 08/05/2024 21:55

Sounds like you have bigger issues tho too.

If he does go, spend the time thinking.

Maybe work through where the boundaries are.

You might be sensitive because you know you can be jealous but that doesn't preclude him playing away.

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 08/05/2024 22:01

Have it out with him and ask how he would feel if he saw a photo of you with his mate. If he doesn't change his behavior around her then there's no way I'd be staying at home while they go on holiday together. It's totally disrespectful if nothing else