Auriol Grey's manslaughter sentence overturned for killing cyclist. Correct decision?

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Reported in multiple outlets - BBC.

Mixed feelings - it was a complex case with no winners on any side.

Yes, middle aged white women are notoriously targeted by the CPS. I'm sure if a great big nineteen year old black man had shouted at a woman in her seventies riding a bike and had gesticulated at her whilst shouting then the police wouldn't have even bothered to question him.

When the outcome is death, they can look to see if a crime has been committed. In this case, they cannot prove the manslaughter charge.

Plenty of cyclists have injured and killed people because they are on the path.
Nine times out of ten they are abusive and couldn't care less.
Don't see a problem with her shouting at the cyclist.
She was probably fed up of feeling she couldn't walk on the path in safety.
Of course the police don't help, they should be out there fining people who cycle on the path and/or confiscating their bikes.
There isn't much deterrent for people not to do it. They know police won't do anything and they carry on.

Yep correct decision. I can’t believe she was ever convicted. Sad for the family but when reading all the facts of the case she was certainly let down by the system

Either pushed or not pushed , i am thinking of how shocked and scared that poor lady felt in her final moments, the initial verbal abuse then falling from her bike to be hit by a car , what an horrific awful death.
My sympathy is for Mrs Ward and her family.

The driver gets forgotten in all of this.

She is called Carla Money, a mum of two. As a result of AG's actions, her marriage and mental health have gone down the shitter.

"The 33-year-old said: “Not only did you [Ms Grey] knock my confidence but a piece of me was lost.
“A small piece of the Carla everyone knew went that day.
“I no longer have a happy-go-lucky personality. I couldn't face speaking to people.
“Because of your selfish actions my children suffered, they lost their mum."
“Mummy didn't want to be around them or play with them. I struggled to get out of bed and was snappy.
“My relationship has collapsed with my husband so much we are getting divorced. My children aged seven and four now have to deal with separated parents.”

'Plenty'? You have statistics for that ?

Many cyclists don't use the paths and prefer to use the pavement where they put in danger the pedestrians.

This. ^ The woman (Auriol Grey,) should not have had her sentence overturned IMO.

She is guilty of manslaughter, and I am actually disgusted that she has had her sentence overturned. Her rude and aggressive actions resulted in a woman's death.

No, it really hasn't. If you deliberately startle someone in the hope that they might swerve into the path of another vehicle, that is murder.

What do you mean by that? That Reasonable doubt is easy to meet.?

Also, attached to where?

Sorry, your post is very difficult to understand.

So do I. I find this thread absolutely outrageous.

It's that outrage that is part of the problem

“The cyclist was allowed to be on the pavement. But even if she wasn't, she didn't deserve to be pushed into the path of an oncoming car.
It certainly wasn't an accident”
Flopsybunny - Careful! The cyclist was not “pushed”. It was never suggested that she was pushed and that is not what the video shows. Be careful what you say.

Gross negligence manslaughter is mainly used for deaths following medical treatment, deaths in the workplace and deaths in custody. Away from those settings, it is pretty much exclusively used where the defendant has known that the victim was clearly in need of emergency medical care and hasn't done anything about it. Yelling and waving your arms might be negligence (although that isn't guaranteed), but it is highly unlikely to be gross negligence.

Really feel for Carla

If shouting and waving your arms were a crime then there really would be a prison over population issue.

Have you read about AG’s health/medical situation? Your comment suggests not.

There have been incidents where people have been killed or injured by cyclists.
Many more than cyclists who have fallen into the road after being shouted at.

Actually disgraceful.

The lives of Celia Ward and Carla Money have been lost and ruined. Their families have been affected by all of this debacle

But that doesn’t matter at all does it.

I think the PP means "attacked".

But, of course, she wasn't attacked.

So when asked how she ended up in the road, Auriol Grey saying she made contact with her as she passed her means nothing then?

Well obviously you wouldn't tell the court that's what you hoped for!

There's a lady like AG near us who has four dogs and hates cyclists she shouts at them, laughs if they wobble or fall off. I wouldn't expect her to get a custodial sentence

I watched the video of this incident multiple times and I can't work out from it whether she touched/hit Celia Ward or not, but I agree that this is a possibility. It is also possible that she was flailing her arms around and Celia swerved to avoid her, then very unfortunately hit the kerb and fell of her bike onto the road. I really can't call it from that video.

To me this is the crux, it's not clear whether any offence was committed. That's regardless of Auriol's disabilities. So legally her convinction was unsafe and that's the appeal judges' decision.

Now, a separate point is that my gut tells me the very final seconds of the video suggest that she did hit or push Celia and that it may have been an assault which led to Celia falling off the bike and dying after being hit by the car. That's my gut and I actually struggle to have any sympathy for Auriol. I feel very sorry for Celia Ward and her family, she was in the wrong place at a wrong time.

But there's not enough evidence and that's that, the gut feelings aren't grounds to convict someone.