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To think this is the ultimate CF or am I just mean?

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Greedysleeper · 04/05/2024 20:26

A women called Claire moved in across the street from me in March with her 3 kids who are 6, 8 and 9 it’s clear already she’s a CF.

Shes constantly ‘borrowing’ things, (rarely returns them) has asked for lifts a few times and sends her kids round to neighbours with kids, often it’s to the woman next door to me called Sarah to play with 8 year old son.

Sarah is getting really pissed off because she’ll send her kids close to meal times and they often expect to be fed as well.
If she says to them it’s time to go home for dinner then they just say they will wait for her son to finish eating and sit down at the table so she ends up feeling like she has to cook for the kids too.
She has told Claire that this keeps happening but Claire just said “oh they clearly like your cooking better then mine then!”
Sarah is soft and hates confrontation and upsetting anyone and has even said she’s struggling to keep feeding 3 extra kids but Claire just tells her to send them home then. She knows full well that Sarah will be too soft to tell them outright they need to go home and they will ignore hints and suggestions.

A couple of weeks ago she sent her kids over and went shopping without even checking Sarah was there, Sarah usually works from home but had the day off and gone out with friends. I’d been out but as I arrived back saw the kids playing alone in her garden.
I didn’t want to leave them out there alone so took them into my house and kept them occupied and gave them a sandwich till Claire got back. She arrived back a couple of hours later just as Sarah was also getting home with her son.

I was absolutely livid because the kids had been hard work and had been fighting with each other, messing with all my stuff and there had been a tantrum when I refused to let them play on my iPad. I’m not great with kids at the best of times and these 3 are hard work.

I told Claire if she does that again I’m calling social services and said she chose to have kids so she needs to take care of them. She started crying saying she has hardly any support and is a single parent with no family struggling.
I said I had sympathy but she still needs to parent her kids.

She stopped sending the kids over and I know she’s asked another neighbour to have them when she’s had her nails and hair done but that’s none of my business.

But then today Claire has turned up on my doorstep and asked me to have her kids overnight next weekend whilst she goes out for a friends birthday! She’d asked other neighbours but they all said no.

I said no and wouldn’t back down despite her pleading with me. I chose to be childfree so I’m not taking on someone else’s kids.

When she finally got the message I wasn’t backing down she said “ok in that case can you make this to make it up to me?”
She hands me a recipe book open on a page with a cake and said she wanted it making for her friend’s birthday. Apparently she gives her a homemade cake every year but gets someone else to bake it and takes the credit because she can’t bake.

I told her to make her own cake and stop leeching off people and that I found her having the audacity to be this persistent strange and couldn’t believe how much cheek she had to knock on peoples doors and expect things from them for nothing.

Claire started crying again and said she thought we should all be a community as we were neighbours and that’s what she expected when she moved here. She said all parents need a village and again mentioned she had no family or friends nearby.

I tried to explain what she wants only exists if everyone agrees and she needs to put back in as much as she takes.
I was pretty harsh with her and another neighbour came out to see what was going on.

I don’t know how it happened but the other neighbour agreed to make the cake whilst looking after her kids and acted like I’d been a complete monster to make Claire cry when she was clearly feeling alone and not coping.
it’s got me wondering if it’s me being unreasonable and should I be making cakes and providing childcare for someone who isn’t even a friend and has never done a single thing to help anyone else as far as I know?!

It just goes to show how these cheeky fuckers get this way if people give into them as soon as they put pressure on, I’m normally such a people pleaser who hates confrontation and I was so proud I’d stood up for myself.

I NC and other names and details as not to be outing. Not sure if Claire is on mumsnet but tbh if she is and recognises this then it might make her think about her behaviour - unless it is me being completely unreasonable!

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Theunamedcat · 04/05/2024 23:36

Happens all the time around here kids being passed about like parcels for reciprocal favours some people stop reciprocating and it goes unnoticed for a while because they "offer" but don't follow through like I "would love to but" they then move on to someone else and circle back to the first person they took the piss from

Scousefab · 04/05/2024 23:39

Good on you for standing your ground! Massive CF- why people carry on having kids when they can’t be arsed to raise them properly never fails to amuse me! The other neighbour will soon get fed up with her requests. then you can smugly look at them like- told ya so! Don’t worry what people think - look after you! I would help anyone but she is taking the Pxxx big time

aloris · 04/05/2024 23:41

Wow, notice how, in Claire's eyes, it's now Sarah's obligation to inform Claire whenever Sarah goes out, as if Sarah, rather than Claire, is the one with the responsibility to look after Claire's children.

Greedysleeper · 04/05/2024 23:42

Pudmyboy · 04/05/2024 22:49

Have you ever met someone who manages to twist things so that you end up feeling grateful for doing them a favour?
Yes @Greedysleeper I have and it is really weird how you can get sucked in, small example: I let one of these 'someone's use a website I have a paid subscription to, told them my password, it was meant to be a one-off use to help out with a specific thing. Bit later I had cause to change the password, then a short while after I got a call from them saying 'you've changed your password to that website and I can't get on it' in a very accusatory voice, I ended up apologising!!! It was only later I thought 'wtf'! (Though I didn't give the new password away!)

It’s amazing how they get away with it then leave you scratching your head afterwards at how they have managed to make themselves a victim.

Claire spoke to one of our neighbours who has teenage children and offered them the chance to babysit her kids to put on their CV for college or university.
The neighbour asked how much she would pay them? and Claire started spouting something along the lines of “Would they really want me to pay them when it’d give them an advantage in the future? Looking after children shows you have a lot of useful skills that would transfer to most jobs. And I really don’t have the money to pay them and I’m just so desperate for a break and I thought they would want to help for a few hours”

When that offer wasn’t snapped up the next stage is emotional blackmail:
“When I was growing up I had so many aunties and grandparents spoiling me and I loved it so much. My parents got to have a break and remember they were people and not just parents.
I feel so sorry for my kids missing out on that and having a mother who is stressed and depressed and just needs one night”

By the end of it the mother of the teens (who had point blank said no) started apologising and saying she was so sorry but her kids were busy and couldn’t spare the time etc…

She told me afterwards that she felt so guilty and ended up offering to have the kids for a night!

I suppose it’s impressive in a way, I would never have the balls to ask, never mind keep pushing.
I wouldn’t want to be that person either who everyone sees coming and their heart sinks.

I’d like to say she’ll get her comeuppance one day but it’ll never happen, the CF will inherit the earth 😂.

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Greedysleeper · 04/05/2024 23:51

determinedtomakethiswork · 04/05/2024 23:09

I was signing up to a gym once and a woman overheard me giving my address to the receptionist.

She said oh I live across the road from you, I've just moved in. The receptionist and a couple of the women there shouted straight away don't let her kids in your house! I was flabbergasted and asked why, the woman was still standing there, and they said she will send them to your house at every opportunity for meals and she'll want lifts and clothes and money off you. It was really funny how they said it while the woman was actually standing next to us. The woman didn't look even a little bit mortified but I learnt my lesson and her kids never came into my house.

Until you find one in the wild everyone thinks people like this don’t exist. They find it impossible to believe anyone could act like that based on their own behaviour and actions.

Some people are thick skinned or even worse they genuinely believe they are owed all the things they ask for. I bet that woman from your gym didn’t think there was anything wrong with what she was doing and that’s why she wasn’t mortified.

It’s lucky you were warned before you were sucked in, everyone thinks they can say no and stand their ground but when the CF asks you something unreasonable you are either stunned into accepting or they manage to convince you that it’s not actually unreasonable and would actually be a privilege for you 😂.

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determinedtomakethiswork · 04/05/2024 23:57

She got her comeuppance in the end, that neighbour. Her partner worked away and obviously suspected something was going on.

There was high drama in the street when he returned to find her having sex with another man while the children were at school. It was his house apparently and the children weren't his so when she grabbed a knife and threatened him that day it was quite easy for him to call the police and get her booted out.

MummyInTheNecropolis · 05/05/2024 00:00

Tell Sarah to stop being such a bloody wet wipe and send the kids packing!

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UPALLNIGHTMNETTING · 05/05/2024 00:16

Sounds like she'll just go from person to person on the street and suck them dry - I imagine the one baking the cake will be the next sap, but will eventually realise what they've got themselves in to! One by one, they'll end up feeling similar to you. Well done for nipping it in the bud, YADNBU.

I'd give her no consideration going forward (is not answering the door an option?). Definitely call SS if she leaves her children unattended like this again; it's neglect and needs reporting.

Pepsiisbetterthancoke · 05/05/2024 00:25

See as soon as the crying started about you not baking the cake I would have told her to cut it out and closed the door on her

Cant be bothered with emotional blackmail.

She has only been there two months and seems to have the street wrapped around her finger. You all need to become that community she desperately wants and collectively come together to tell her to start parenting her own children

Lifesd · 05/05/2024 01:54

The brass neck!!!! No excuse for shitty parenting.

Louise303 · 05/05/2024 03:40

What a cheek now that Sarah knows you have stood your ground maybe she will also. The neighbour that thought you were mean will regret it when the neighbour starts demanding a lot more.

Nanaof1 · 05/05/2024 05:00

Not only is she a CF to the extreme, she might be up for the "best actress pretending to be so put upon while being a CF" Oscar.

She is a user and expects everyone else to do her jobs for her. How disgusting.

Nanaof1 · 05/05/2024 05:14

huuskymam · 04/05/2024 23:29

I bet Claire's old neighbours threw a party when she moved out. I've never heard of such brass neck-ery.

People like her move when they have dried up the neighbor's charitable feelings.

On to the next neighborhood and people to use.

And yes, I have known a person or two like this.

Rustycheeks · 05/05/2024 06:53

I’m related to one like this. The reason she doesn’t have any family around is purely her own doing. Everyone got sick oh helping in “emergencies” and feeling like you couldn’t say no to giving her money or the kids would go hungry, yet she always had cash for cigarettes.

PinkFrogss · 05/05/2024 06:55

Greedysleeper · 04/05/2024 21:10

This is exactly what she’s like, she moves from person to person so she never really pushes one person too far.

She’ll ask a neighbour for a lift and say it’s an emergency and thank them profusely so they feel they have done something kind to help then moves to the next.
She knows exactly when she’s gone too far and leaves that person alone for a while before circling back like a shark. If the person is a bit soft and lets her get away with it then she does carry on asking for a while.

And if for example she’d say “if anyone has a yoga mat they don’t want anymore” then later she’ll say she did them a favour by getting rid of it for them.

You just can’t win with some people because they have trained for a long time to reach a level of cheekiness that a normal person wouldn’t stand a chance against it 😂.

How do you know the details of her conversations with others so well? If the neighbours are gossiping about her it sounds like they’re also aware she’s being cheeky.

Unbelievable behaviour.

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 05/05/2024 07:02

Not quite the same but in the street next to DM’s there are flats. Two little girls both under 10 used to come and see DM and could see toys in front room when they were let in once.

DM felt sorry for them as their DM often wasn’t around but it got to the stage they were coming round whenever they could and being annoying. I think their DM even sent them around and she was either WFH or doing child free things at home.

DM eventually spoke to the DM and said it wasn’t on to send the kids round.

Luckily the other DM got childcare in place and actually parented her DDs, you see them around with her all the time. No idea if a father was in the picture or not. She didn’t seem to have grandparents around either.

RiseYpres · 05/05/2024 07:10

I know someone like this. Always a sob story. 4 kids and asks and asks and asks. Her middle child was in DS1s class (private school) and is delightful. But the sob story was so good that when they had to take the 4 kids out of school (4 children in private is expensive and her DH had some business deals go down the gurgler ) MY Dh actually suggested to me that we pay the fees for this one child to 'help out'. I hit the roof and pointed out that we had issues paying for our 2 children as it was- paying for someone elses child was just a fucking stupid idea.

He realised of course and has sometimes said to me when we observe her on the make here and there that he was glad he had not fallen for it in the end.

Now I am going back to read the thread properly but I just wanted to chime in to say that yes some people really ARE that cheeky and manipulative.

Good on the OP for putting her foot down.

ManchesterBeatrice · 05/05/2024 07:11

CFa are like trolls.

They exist if you feed them. I'm amazed by what people do for these people.

Sarah should just say no.

Sharontheodopolodous · 05/05/2024 07:14

I used to work with someone like this (used to,she was such a cf,they still employ her but she's not had any hours for about a year)

She had been married to p (male and dad) two kids,wanted another (thank god that didn't happen,the two they have are feral) when she suddenly broke it off with him and started dating k (female)

One day I got a message saying she needed to speak to me

My biggest regret in life is I didn't turn my phone off that day

She needed someone to have the kids the following day-i said 'nope,no,not happening,no'

Next day,the kids are on my doorstep and she drove off

I rang work-she laughed 'I need the money,she's having them' (work could hear the kids destroying my house in the background)

I threatened her with ss as they've been abandoned (and she didn't want them sniffing down her neck again) so she came back to get them-grabbed them by the back of their necks and stomped out

She had the neck to blame me for her not doing that shift and how unreasonable I was!

I'd said 'no' but she ignored that-she seemed to think that as she'd dropped them off at mine,that meant I didn't have to go pick them up,she was doing me the favour!

(Thankfully work had my back and understood it wasn't me,shed taken the piss so many times with both work and others)

Turns out both p&k had the day off themselves but he wanted to play video games and she wanted a lie in (long story but p&k ended up together)

Not heard another thing from cf,now I put my foot down and carried through,she doesn't want to know me (plus she has a new girlfriend and her family to use)

She had a lot more support than I did as a single mum but still took the piss out of others (dad us just as bad-hes more lazy and selfish)

WaltzingWaters · 05/05/2024 07:15

Sarah needs to grow a backbone and just tell the kids “we’re having dinner now, it’s time for you to go home” whilst ushering them out the door and not taking no for an answer.

And you need to watch your lovely kind neighbours realise what idiots they’ve been when they become Claire’s unpaid nanny, chef, chauffeur etc. Maybe Claire should forgo her manicure so she can afford a babysitter for the evening.

Scarletttulips · 05/05/2024 07:26

Sarah needs to grow a backbone and just tell the kids “we’re having dinner now, it’s time for you to go home” whilst ushering them out the door and not taking no for an answer

No, she needs to stop letting them in in the first place.

Mercurysinretrograde · 05/05/2024 07:29

People like this do exist. I knew one who would borrow things from me almost every day, but she’d ask her child to call me (presumably so I’d be less inclined to say no). She then went on a business trip and child (18 years old) called me to ask me to take them out for a milkshake. During a weekday when I was working. Childs father was at home WFH! The entitlement was astounding. Child never dared to call again.

Doodahday88 · 05/05/2024 07:33

I’m been a desperate parent with no friends or family nearby, never once did I dream of doing any of these totally mad things. You don’t just dump your kids on random neighbours. The whole thing goes from bad to worse. I’m flabbergasted by her cheek and don’t get my started on the cake! No, YANBU.

Mermaidsarereal · 05/05/2024 07:36

Wow 'Cadjing Claire'! She sounds an absolute nightmare, well done to you for being firm and standing your ground! The other neighbour will regret offering to bake the cake and look after her kids overnight because she'll probably torture them now instead! Also, who the hell leaves their kids overnight with neighbours that they don't really know?!