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To think this is the ultimate CF or am I just mean?

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Greedysleeper · 04/05/2024 20:26

A women called Claire moved in across the street from me in March with her 3 kids who are 6, 8 and 9 it’s clear already she’s a CF.

Shes constantly ‘borrowing’ things, (rarely returns them) has asked for lifts a few times and sends her kids round to neighbours with kids, often it’s to the woman next door to me called Sarah to play with 8 year old son.

Sarah is getting really pissed off because she’ll send her kids close to meal times and they often expect to be fed as well.
If she says to them it’s time to go home for dinner then they just say they will wait for her son to finish eating and sit down at the table so she ends up feeling like she has to cook for the kids too.
She has told Claire that this keeps happening but Claire just said “oh they clearly like your cooking better then mine then!”
Sarah is soft and hates confrontation and upsetting anyone and has even said she’s struggling to keep feeding 3 extra kids but Claire just tells her to send them home then. She knows full well that Sarah will be too soft to tell them outright they need to go home and they will ignore hints and suggestions.

A couple of weeks ago she sent her kids over and went shopping without even checking Sarah was there, Sarah usually works from home but had the day off and gone out with friends. I’d been out but as I arrived back saw the kids playing alone in her garden.
I didn’t want to leave them out there alone so took them into my house and kept them occupied and gave them a sandwich till Claire got back. She arrived back a couple of hours later just as Sarah was also getting home with her son.

I was absolutely livid because the kids had been hard work and had been fighting with each other, messing with all my stuff and there had been a tantrum when I refused to let them play on my iPad. I’m not great with kids at the best of times and these 3 are hard work.

I told Claire if she does that again I’m calling social services and said she chose to have kids so she needs to take care of them. She started crying saying she has hardly any support and is a single parent with no family struggling.
I said I had sympathy but she still needs to parent her kids.

She stopped sending the kids over and I know she’s asked another neighbour to have them when she’s had her nails and hair done but that’s none of my business.

But then today Claire has turned up on my doorstep and asked me to have her kids overnight next weekend whilst she goes out for a friends birthday! She’d asked other neighbours but they all said no.

I said no and wouldn’t back down despite her pleading with me. I chose to be childfree so I’m not taking on someone else’s kids.

When she finally got the message I wasn’t backing down she said “ok in that case can you make this to make it up to me?”
She hands me a recipe book open on a page with a cake and said she wanted it making for her friend’s birthday. Apparently she gives her a homemade cake every year but gets someone else to bake it and takes the credit because she can’t bake.

I told her to make her own cake and stop leeching off people and that I found her having the audacity to be this persistent strange and couldn’t believe how much cheek she had to knock on peoples doors and expect things from them for nothing.

Claire started crying again and said she thought we should all be a community as we were neighbours and that’s what she expected when she moved here. She said all parents need a village and again mentioned she had no family or friends nearby.

I tried to explain what she wants only exists if everyone agrees and she needs to put back in as much as she takes.
I was pretty harsh with her and another neighbour came out to see what was going on.

I don’t know how it happened but the other neighbour agreed to make the cake whilst looking after her kids and acted like I’d been a complete monster to make Claire cry when she was clearly feeling alone and not coping.
it’s got me wondering if it’s me being unreasonable and should I be making cakes and providing childcare for someone who isn’t even a friend and has never done a single thing to help anyone else as far as I know?!

It just goes to show how these cheeky fuckers get this way if people give into them as soon as they put pressure on, I’m normally such a people pleaser who hates confrontation and I was so proud I’d stood up for myself.

I NC and other names and details as not to be outing. Not sure if Claire is on mumsnet but tbh if she is and recognises this then it might make her think about her behaviour - unless it is me being completely unreasonable!

OP posts:
Efh · 04/05/2024 20:55

Well it sounds like a great result.

The (very foolish) other neighbour has agreed to bake and mind kids. More fool her. You should stick to your guns and keep away from the cheeky fucker.

Greedysleeper · 04/05/2024 20:58

i actually knew I wasn’t being unreasonable but she convinced me by being so sure of herself that we should all as neighbours be raising her kids and doing her favours etc… that I actually started to doubt myself. When the other neighbour got involved that’s when I really wasn’t sure.

She’s very good at making it seem it’s not her just asking for favours and that what she’s actually trying to do is build a community where we all help each other, it’s a nice idea but it doesn’t wouldn’t work and she’s the only one who asks constantly for favours.

Have you ever met someone who manages to twist things so that you end up feeling grateful for doing them a favour? If you haven’t then you are seriously lucky!

I told another friend what this neighbour was like and she refused to believe me until she’d met her. No one understands the strength of a sob story till it’s used fully on them.

She doesn’t come demanding things, she talks about how alone she is, the things she’s been through, is so nice and charming and then you end up feeling like what a strong amazing person she is so the next words out of your mouth are “just let me know if there is anything I can do to help?” And that’s the magic.

All this was too long to add to the original post, I’m not surprised people are questioning it, the people who know someone like this will know what I mean and are probably doing their ironing and watching their kids right now 😂.

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Noicant · 04/05/2024 20:58

This seems almost too insane to be real. I’m a pushover even I would be telling her absolutely not to just all of that.

Brexile · 04/05/2024 20:59

I'm a single parent of three and it would never have occurred to me to ask a neighbour for anything, unless it was an emergency. Claire is an extreme CF and the other neighbour is a troublemaker. They are welcome to each other.

Noicant · 04/05/2024 20:59

I think the other neighbour will eventually crack.

Greedysleeper · 04/05/2024 21:02

Noicant · 04/05/2024 20:58

This seems almost too insane to be real. I’m a pushover even I would be telling her absolutely not to just all of that.

I’m the biggest pushover ever so the fact I stood up to her really shows how cheeky she actually is.

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PieFaces · 04/05/2024 21:10

Meals - sarah should just send them home regardless of them saying they will wait. Sarah just needs to stop feeding them and break the routine.

CF could ask a mobile hair/nail person to visit her home or take them with her or swap childcare, so she provides some childcare in exchange for receiving some childcare.

She should make her own cake with her own kids or buy a cake off the shelf.

You shouldn’t have taken them in when they were playing outside in your neighbours garden. Instead you could have text the mum and told her you’ve sent the kids back to hers and no adults are available to supervise. They can play in CF’s garden instead. Important to ignore any response to avoid getting involved.

You need to be very boundaried and routine. A consistent no will eventually get the message across. Some people will be happy to do things for her and that’s their choice.

Personally I’d be happy to help a neighbour I liked as long as it worked for me. I generally always help friends but never help with school or community events after doing to much of it years ago

Greedysleeper · 04/05/2024 21:10

W0rkerBee · 04/05/2024 20:35

some people are wired to ask ask ask and if you don't ask you don't get. I went to school with a girl like this and she hasn't changed in 30 years. I still see her ''has anybody got a yoga mat they're finished with?''. On and on and on, always asking for favours and big ones too sometimes. Like she'll find somebody who'll give her an old sofa, and then she'll be straight away looking for somebody with a van. OMG I don't know how she shows her face! It's actually funny, we all have our blind spots I guess.

This is exactly what she’s like, she moves from person to person so she never really pushes one person too far.

She’ll ask a neighbour for a lift and say it’s an emergency and thank them profusely so they feel they have done something kind to help then moves to the next.
She knows exactly when she’s gone too far and leaves that person alone for a while before circling back like a shark. If the person is a bit soft and lets her get away with it then she does carry on asking for a while.

And if for example she’d say “if anyone has a yoga mat they don’t want anymore” then later she’ll say she did them a favour by getting rid of it for them.

You just can’t win with some people because they have trained for a long time to reach a level of cheekiness that a normal person wouldn’t stand a chance against it 😂.

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PieFaces · 04/05/2024 21:11

also it’s easy enough to warmly say no I’m not able to help, then hold that boundary. You don’t need to be rude or make her cry

FuzzyPuffling · 04/05/2024 21:15

Or you could make a cake with mustard and Lik-e-lix frosting and watch her try to wriggle out of that one!

takemeawayagain · 04/05/2024 21:17

PieFaces · 04/05/2024 21:11

also it’s easy enough to warmly say no I’m not able to help, then hold that boundary. You don’t need to be rude or make her cry

Except when someone doesn't take no for an answer and cries to try to manipulate you into doing what she wants.

Well it's all worked out well for now anyway, she can build her one sided 'community' with her cake making/baby sitting new friend.

honeyfox · 04/05/2024 21:20

She sounds like the Ultimate CF.

ichundich · 04/05/2024 21:32

I'd be tempted to give social services a call tbh.

zazazoop · 04/05/2024 21:36

Massive CF - the neighbours made a rod for own back

MumOfTwoLittleOnes24 · 04/05/2024 22:07

Social Services really need informing. "Claire" is a very neglectful parent; you don't send three kids of their age to a neighbour's house and then waltz off for several hours. She hadn't even checked that "Sarah" was home. Had the OP not been at home and taken the children into her (safe) house they'd have been highly vulnerable to a whole range of dangers.

Children of women like "Claire" are at a massive increased risk of predators, abusers etc. Imagine there was a sex offender living on your street who happens to be CF Claire's next person to ask for a favour? She's hardly showing due diligence when it comes to basic safe -guarding for her kids safety, is she?

Please, please report this OP.

LakeTiticaca · 04/05/2024 22:43

She is obviously well versed in manipulating people into feeling sorry for her, turning on the crocodile tears. Well done OP for failing to fall for it. The other neighbours will eventually get the measure of her, and cease to be made mugs of.
These kind of people are seasoned piss takers, I've met a few over the years 😉

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Pudmyboy · 04/05/2024 22:49

Have you ever met someone who manages to twist things so that you end up feeling grateful for doing them a favour?
Yes @Greedysleeper I have and it is really weird how you can get sucked in, small example: I let one of these 'someone's use a website I have a paid subscription to, told them my password, it was meant to be a one-off use to help out with a specific thing. Bit later I had cause to change the password, then a short while after I got a call from them saying 'you've changed your password to that website and I can't get on it' in a very accusatory voice, I ended up apologising!!! It was only later I thought 'wtf'! (Though I didn't give the new password away!)

determinedtomakethiswork · 04/05/2024 23:09

I was signing up to a gym once and a woman overheard me giving my address to the receptionist.

She said oh I live across the road from you, I've just moved in. The receptionist and a couple of the women there shouted straight away don't let her kids in your house! I was flabbergasted and asked why, the woman was still standing there, and they said she will send them to your house at every opportunity for meals and she'll want lifts and clothes and money off you. It was really funny how they said it while the woman was actually standing next to us. The woman didn't look even a little bit mortified but I learnt my lesson and her kids never came into my house.

hottchocolatte · 04/05/2024 23:16

Yes she's a CF.

The other neighbour will realise this too:

As you say, community isn't about only taking.
it doesn't sound like she's giving anything.

Mumwithapub · 04/05/2024 23:19

Yep I have come into contact with people like this, amazing how they tell you so much about what they have been through and how little support they get but as soon as you let them in they suck you dry then blame you when you say no!

Greedysleeper · 04/05/2024 23:23

MumOfTwoLittleOnes24 · 04/05/2024 22:07

Social Services really need informing. "Claire" is a very neglectful parent; you don't send three kids of their age to a neighbour's house and then waltz off for several hours. She hadn't even checked that "Sarah" was home. Had the OP not been at home and taken the children into her (safe) house they'd have been highly vulnerable to a whole range of dangers.

Children of women like "Claire" are at a massive increased risk of predators, abusers etc. Imagine there was a sex offender living on your street who happens to be CF Claire's next person to ask for a favour? She's hardly showing due diligence when it comes to basic safe -guarding for her kids safety, is she?

Please, please report this OP.

I told her if I ever see any evidence of her leaving her kids again then I will report it.
She kept trying to twist it saying Sarah knew her kids always came over and so should have told her that she was going out. I said that’s no excuse and pointed out it might not have been me that came along and found them.

As far as I know she has made sure that she’s covertly bullied someone into having them now.

I will keep an eye out though and report it if it happens again. If I hadn’t been there they would have been alone for hours and they are into absolutely everything so it could have easily ended in disaster. It’s not the kids fault their mother is such a CF.

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TwattyMcFuckFace · 04/05/2024 23:27

it’s got me wondering if it’s me being unreasonable and should I be making cakes and providing childcare for someone who isn’t even a friend and has never done a single thing to help anyone else as far as I know?!

LOL no it hasn't.

huuskymam · 04/05/2024 23:29

I bet Claire's old neighbours threw a party when she moved out. I've never heard of such brass neck-ery.

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