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To ask what you expect from Labour when/if they win the election?

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Welovecrumpets · 03/05/2024 13:41

Just curious. I’ll be voting for them reluctantly but I’m not really sure what can or will be done about the state of the country. It seems we’re skint so they’ll just have to tinker around the edges.

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AhNowTed · 04/05/2024 14:48

I expect that the circus will have left town, the revolving doors of PMs closed, and some boring sober government in No 10.

Hallelujah.

JessS1990 · 04/05/2024 14:48

Marjoriefrobisher · 04/05/2024 13:40

This is absolute nonsense. VAT is an EU tax and thus could not have been added to school fees pre Brexit. There was no serious prospect of it being added until it became current Labour policy. And given their complete inability to articulate how they are going to do it, maybe there still isn’t.

Why weren't we told this before the Brexit referendum?
It might have changed the way I voted.

Marjoriefrobisher · 04/05/2024 14:50

StarlingsForever · 04/05/2024 14:46

I have noticed on here at the moment there is a real aggression among some private school parent posters who are riled by the prospect of having to pay more taxes under a Labour government. I think the intention has to be to try to win support for their position. There is a real sense of entitlement to support. For the vast majority of people in the UK, private schools are not even on the table and they just don't care that much. When the group doesn't get the sympathy to which they feel entitled, people are either classified as "jealous" (if they think they cannot afford private schools), "stupid" (if they don't buy in to their position as how could they possibly understand and not feel sympathy) or sometimes both. Then there is the "champagne socialists" category if the person is either well off and happy to pay or well off and it doesn't affect them. These positions do the polar opposite of building support.

Nobody has been aggressive; you have had a misunderstanding pointed out to you, that is all.
Probably best to wait until you grasp the facts before you climb on the soapbox.

StarlingsForever · 04/05/2024 14:51

Marjoriefrobisher · 04/05/2024 14:50

Nobody has been aggressive; you have had a misunderstanding pointed out to you, that is all.
Probably best to wait until you grasp the facts before you climb on the soapbox.

I didn't misunderstand at all. I do understand the facts. But I still really don't care that much.

JessS1990 · 04/05/2024 14:52

There is considerable evidence that Labour has won the London mayoral election, the remaining question appears to be whether it is with the biggest mandate ever in the election.
Here is to looking forward to the mayor continuing to make changes to that great city that benefit those that live there.

Marjoriefrobisher · 04/05/2024 14:52

StarlingsForever · 04/05/2024 14:42

I understand the distinction between Charitable status and VAT. It is harped on about ad nauseam on here. The point remains that the imposition of appropriate taxation for private schools has been discussed for many years in different ways and a judicious parent would have factored in contingency for fee increases beyond inflation. The truth is that Labour is probably still grappling with exactly what the correct mechanism should be. They not even in government yet.

Well I can certainly agree with the last bit. Maybe some intelligent civil servants can explain their policy to them once they’re in government. God what a job.

EasternStandard · 04/05/2024 14:52

StarlingsForever · 04/05/2024 14:46

I have noticed on here at the moment there is a real aggression among some private school parent posters who are riled by the prospect of having to pay more taxes under a Labour government. I think the intention has to be to try to win support for their position. There is a real sense of entitlement to support. For the vast majority of people in the UK, private schools are not even on the table and they just don't care that much. When the group doesn't get the sympathy to which they feel entitled, people are either classified as "jealous" (if they think they cannot afford private schools), "stupid" (if they don't buy in to their position as how could they possibly understand and not feel sympathy) or sometimes both. Then there is the "champagne socialists" category if the person is either well off and happy to pay or well off and it doesn't affect them. These positions do the polar opposite of building support.

I’d say your points being contested isn’t ‘aggression’ and you’re still not making correct claims about the tax under EU law. Obviously if are loyal to Labour you’re not going to change, it doesn’t mean people can’t correct claims.

The delight some adults get at dc being moved is not a good look. The whole policy is poor for various reasons, many put on other threads.

AhNowTed · 04/05/2024 14:53

StarlingsForever · 04/05/2024 14:46

I have noticed on here at the moment there is a real aggression among some private school parent posters who are riled by the prospect of having to pay more taxes under a Labour government. I think the intention has to be to try to win support for their position. There is a real sense of entitlement to support. For the vast majority of people in the UK, private schools are not even on the table and they just don't care that much. When the group doesn't get the sympathy to which they feel entitled, people are either classified as "jealous" (if they think they cannot afford private schools), "stupid" (if they don't buy in to their position as how could they possibly understand and not feel sympathy) or sometimes both. Then there is the "champagne socialists" category if the person is either well off and happy to pay or well off and it doesn't affect them. These positions do the polar opposite of building support.

The current thread is wild.

They've now moved on to defending non-doms!

With the same old politics of envy tropes.

StarlingsForever · 04/05/2024 14:53

Marjoriefrobisher · 04/05/2024 14:52

Well I can certainly agree with the last bit. Maybe some intelligent civil servants can explain their policy to them once they’re in government. God what a job.

The proof will be in the pudding I guess. I'm more interested in what happens with the NHS.

Marjoriefrobisher · 04/05/2024 14:54

EasternStandard · 04/05/2024 14:52

I’d say your points being contested isn’t ‘aggression’ and you’re still not making correct claims about the tax under EU law. Obviously if are loyal to Labour you’re not going to change, it doesn’t mean people can’t correct claims.

The delight some adults get at dc being moved is not a good look. The whole policy is poor for various reasons, many put on other threads.

She appears to believe that parents should have planned for something which was until recently a legal impossibility. Because that’s « judicious », apparently. Too funny.

Marjoriefrobisher · 04/05/2024 14:54

StarlingsForever · 04/05/2024 14:53

The proof will be in the pudding I guess. I'm more interested in what happens with the NHS.

Yes, you do right to back away from this one 😂

Giglebtink · 04/05/2024 14:55

Goldenbear · 03/05/2024 19:56

Are you a woman?

a woman chucked herself in front of a horse for you to vote, went on hunger strike in prison, how can you not vote ?

Isn’t it more that the Suffragettes campaigned for women’s right to vote? Si a woman would have the right to vote should she wish to do so. Should she make that choice. They didn’t campaign for women to be forced to do something.

Katypp · 04/05/2024 14:58

Judging by this thread, I think there is going to be a lot of disappointed people if Labour win the next election.
It's as if everything the Tories do is wrong and everything Labour do is right. Even Angela Rayner is given a free pass for tax dodging, which would never happen if she was an evil Tory.
I'm old enough to have lived under both parties and I can't say there is any discernible difference to most people's day-to-day lives regardless of who is in power.
I can remember driving home on the day Tony Blair won the election and there was a real feeling that things were changing - but they didn't.
What I do find pathetic and childish is the constant jibes about 'helping their friends', millionaires (see Starmer), privileged and hating 'poor people'.
Just the other day there was a thread about when the election will be, with the op quite seriously saying it would be based on school terms so Tory MPs would get more time without paying VAT on school fees. That is so simplistic and childish it's unbelievable tbh, quite aside from the fact that many Labour MPs will also have children in private school (but that's OK because caring).
Added to this is the notion that people who vote Labour care and those that vote Conservative don't. I do wonder if people's critical thinking stayed in the classroom when they left school.
I am up to now a Conservative voter. I can take sensible criticism, but am not interested in pathetic arguments about eg the price of Theresa May's trousers when it's more than likely Harriet Harman has some pretty pricy garb also.
I cannot stand hypocrisy.

pinotnow · 04/05/2024 14:59

EasternStandard · 04/05/2024 14:23

Some really do get their laughs from stuff being taken away from dc. No idea why but there you go.

I get absolutely no laughs from children, or indeed anyone suffering, thank you. As I said in a previous post, I want a fairer society for all. Not just advantages for those dc whose parents can afford to pay for them. What about children who are struggling in state schools (I'm a teacher btw) because of funding cuts (in real terms) and whose parents can't afford to go private? You may not laugh about it but if you're not voting to get the Tories out you're doing fuck all about it . So think about that next time you accuse me of not caring about 'dc'.

StarlingsForever · 04/05/2024 15:00

Marjoriefrobisher · 04/05/2024 14:54

Yes, you do right to back away from this one 😂

Of course they should have built in contingency for fee increases over and above inflation. It is common sense if you are embarking on a thirteen year commitment. If they had been really forward looking, they could have looked at NPVs and ROI % too and they would most probably have opted for buying a nice house in catchment. If they were lucky enough to have that choice, of course. If you haven't assessed the fees, then tough.

EasternStandard · 04/05/2024 15:01

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 04/05/2024 13:59

May I just take the time to observe how delightful it is to see some posters in a flap as they have realised that Labour will when the next GE and make the country a fairer nicer place to live.

Yet another poster pretending not to realise that there are loads of people who really want a fairer country, and are not going to vote Tory, but feel unable to vote for the current Labour party and are probably also not convinced that the current Labour party actually wouldake the country a fairer and nicer place to live.

There have been some quite funny posts but the bold part is a good one for comedy value.

Giglebtink · 04/05/2024 15:07

Marjoriefrobisher · 04/05/2024 13:37

And here we have the combination of spite and naivety which is so typical of the contemporary Labour Party. Full marks

Exactly

pinotnow · 04/05/2024 15:08

And calling me and others 'spiteful and unpleasant' when you've come onto a thread on a fantastic day for Labour to basically piss all over people's hopes for the future is a bit rich really. People saying they expect a fairer society or words to that effect are met with crying laughing emojis on this thread, very pleasant and not at all spiteful.

OneTC · 04/05/2024 15:09

More of the same

EasternStandard · 04/05/2024 15:12

pinotnow · 04/05/2024 15:08

And calling me and others 'spiteful and unpleasant' when you've come onto a thread on a fantastic day for Labour to basically piss all over people's hopes for the future is a bit rich really. People saying they expect a fairer society or words to that effect are met with crying laughing emojis on this thread, very pleasant and not at all spiteful.

come onto a thread on a fantastic day for Labour

You can’t read a thread like this on such a day? That is quite funny too. You know there is a hide option if it’s too much.

twistyizzy · 04/05/2024 15:13

Tootiredforallthiscrap · 04/05/2024 14:15

@twistyizzy why didn’t you use the money to buy a more expensive house in a better catchment area for a state school then ? If anyone’s pulling the drawbridge up after them it’s tories, but that’s ok.

Because as I have stated previously it would cost us 150K+ to do that whereas it will cost around 75K for 5 years of private school. Also using our money to buy a house in a better catchment area is taking that school place away from another child. It is still buying privilege, just a more socially acceptable way of doing so.

twistyizzy · 04/05/2024 15:16

StarlingsForever · 04/05/2024 15:00

Of course they should have built in contingency for fee increases over and above inflation. It is common sense if you are embarking on a thirteen year commitment. If they had been really forward looking, they could have looked at NPVs and ROI % too and they would most probably have opted for buying a nice house in catchment. If they were lucky enough to have that choice, of course. If you haven't assessed the fees, then tough.

Edited

Inflation isn't 10% fee rise plus 20% VAT is it though? Of course we budgeted for annual fee rises of between 7-10% but no we didn't budget VAT in the same way that mortgage holders didn't budget for sharp hikes in interest rates. We have only ever thought of private from Yr7-11 and use state either side of that.

Desecratedcoconut · 04/05/2024 15:21

pinotnow · 04/05/2024 15:08

And calling me and others 'spiteful and unpleasant' when you've come onto a thread on a fantastic day for Labour to basically piss all over people's hopes for the future is a bit rich really. People saying they expect a fairer society or words to that effect are met with crying laughing emojis on this thread, very pleasant and not at all spiteful.

Are you aware of the thread title? Were you hoping people would give exclusively warm and fuzzy answers so you could convince yourself that others aren't worried about a future under a Labour government.

And I have to tell you, I'm not particularly cheered by the number of Labour supporters who seem to be in two crazy camps of 1) can't wait for the 90s to happen all over again and 2) don't care if Labour do anything materially different to the Tories at all.

WowIlikereallyhateyou · 04/05/2024 15:30

Elphame · 03/05/2024 14:06

Honestly?

Complete economic collapse.
No funding for NHS and Schools
No investment in infrastructure or job creation
Money wasted on pet projects of no benefit to the country.

Well that's what is happening in Wales now under a Labour administration so I expect England will soon follow.

Edited

This ^^

Goldenbear · 04/05/2024 15:36

EasternStandard · 04/05/2024 15:12

come onto a thread on a fantastic day for Labour

You can’t read a thread like this on such a day? That is quite funny too. You know there is a hide option if it’s too much.

Why be so cynical, it’s not realism or even rationalism as the list of Conservative incompetencies over the last 14 years would be enough to fill the pages of this whole thread! It is all very well suggesting you are not a Conservative voter or even Tory HQ but you certainly do come across like you are desperately hanging on for their victory just like they are!

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