To ask what you expect from Labour when/if they win the election?

[Welovecrumpets]

Just curious. I’ll be voting for them reluctantly but I’m not really sure what can or will be done about the state of the country. It seems we’re skint so they’ll just have to tinker around the edges.

They will get used to it like everyone elses kids have to 😀

Are you unable to hide a thread for some reason?

You don’t have to read it

Sorry I forgot - you're Baroness Hale of course.

I shouldn’t think Labour will change much. But I would hope they’re a bit better than what we’ve got now.🤷‍♀️

Back tracking on 20mph?
I disagree with your premise on pretty much all of that. And even it were all true, there’s less waste and incompetence than the Tories…

and yet my posts are all still there - it's almost as if there is nothing to worry about.

I think some of us are more concerned that we see no viable party to vote for. There are a few tory defenders around, but equally some of are simply expressing concern with Labour. This is probably based on track record and the current offering.

A few posters seem to be confusing a lack of enthusiasm and belief that things will be miraculously better under Labour with a bit of pragmatism.

I find the current state of politics incredibly sad, frustrating and disappointing. I worry that this will pave the way for voter apathy and an increase in those voting for extremist parties and ideologies.

I think that times are going to get tougher through the next GE term, whoever takes over, simply due to international events. Our curreny political situation only seems poised to exacerbate these problems.

‘Realism’ or cynicism that becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy? It is easy to see why people are despondent but surely progressive changes can be made. For example Blair got rid of pretty much all hereditary peers from the House of Lords. Homelessness was cut by 2/3rds under New Labour, if you lived in worked in Central London as I did at that time this was a noticeable change from the Tory years. As a child living in London the endless sleeping bags at Stations and on the Strand etc.under A Thatcher government left a real impression on me. I was working in central London in the 00s and it was noticeable change for the better, in contrast to now where I don’t recognise a London that I visit now having been exiled to the south coast as we can’t afford to live in London the place my DH and I were born in and grew up in - housing, another flipping issue made 100 times worse by the Tories!

Hey, don't get me wrong, if you had a Blair, Brown, Prescott, Straw line up I'd be here with pom poms.

This is just nonsense - as for immigration - numbers have soared under the current regime - so tell us again who is "pro-immigration"?

I expect that the political messaging of division and stirring up resentment and hatred will change. That the country can start to co-operate with the EU again to try and fix some of the damage done by Brexit.

That the deliberate attempts to run down the NHS and destroy it will be halted and slowly reversed to try and repair the damage done by austerity.
I look forward to the public sector - and those of us working in it - no longer being kicked like a puppy by a government that sees no value in public services unless some shareholders/their mates are getting rich.
And no longer having the fear of a lunatic like Liz Truss coming along and blowing the economy out of the water on a whim of political ideology.

Lol. Tell us you don't understand the difference between how devolved parliments and central government is funded without telling us...

Ditto.

I'm hoping for a hung parliament dedpite the fact hanging's too good for them

No worries.
If things don’t go well for Labour in 5 or 10 years time we’ll be able to get rid of them.
Rinse and repeat ad infinitum.

I worry that this will pave the way for…an increase in those voting for extremist parties and ideologies
And yet it’s the almost aggressively centrist party that’s ahead in the polls, @Saintmariesleuth

Sweden:
did have guidelines on gathering even if they were n put into law, and did close some schools but not primary schools (possibly being the cause of there being excess deaths in Swedish primary age children but not in other age groups in 2020).
had a death rate 9-10 times higher than its nearest neighbours
had worse economic outcomes than it’s nearest neighbours
had to make emergency transfers to neighbouring countries because it’s main hospitals were full and couldn’t take more patients
has a much lower population density than the uk
whose government wrote a report saying they had got their strategy wrong.

I was going to leave the conspiracy theory bit out. If I rescind it will you answer what you would have done re furlough and energy payments given that locking down was not a workable option for the uk. And if you doubt that in Dec 2020 we had tripled our ICU capacity and filled virtually every single bed with cases still rising.

@Hartley99

Economic decline. Centre-left governments wreck the economy. It's like a law of nature. They borrow too much and spend too much. Then businesses fold, and people emigrate to more tax friendly nations, taking their skills and money with them.

Oh, you mean just like what happened after the tories implemented Brexit?

And I have no problem with public spending, so long as the money is spent wisely. If you repair the roads, invest in public transport, fund apprenticeships schemes.

Oh, you mean you want public services funded? The exact opposite of what the Tories have done?

The population will certainly increase.

Oh, you mean like the population has increased through uncontrolled immigration uder the tories following Brexit?

Riiiiight! 🤣 The cognitive dissonance makes me really laugh

Do you actually have any evidence for any of this? Links to evidence would be lovely.

@cardibach it is for now. Labour obviously gained a lot of seats yesterday, but I agree with whoever posted above that this was more about kicking the tories than actual support for Labour. There is a historical trend for the incumbent government to lose seats in local elections.

Additionally, most of the opinion polls on Brexit predicted a remain outcome.

I say all this as a traditional Labour voter who admits to being a socialist. If a party has alienated someone who should be a 'natural' voter, something is very wrong. Politics is a mess and change is desperately needed. There is too much mud slinging, lack of proper debate and lack of understanding about how society and services work across all parties, many of whom put the needs of the general population last.

I want the tories out- but to be replaced with.....what?

Starmer or Sunak?

I have no crystal ball, but wonder about a push for John McDonnell to replace Starmer if the extremists get their way - otherwise probably Andy Burnham

Harder to say with Sunak since several front runners are predicted to lose their seats and they may consider it's too late now to get him out before the election, but personally I'd favour Penny Mordaunt

I mean there is absolutely no evidence to even suggest that Starmer would be 'ousted' if he won an election. None. This is just silly.

Is this the new version of
But Jeremy Corbyn
Keir's Beer
knowing what a women is
Rayner did something?

I imagine it will be just as effective.

In answer to the OPs question.
I expect that Labour will deliver competent sensible government, and not shy away from the myriad of problems that their predecessor's have created and ignored.

It will not be all sunlit uplands, but gradually incrementally improvements will occur.

You really believe this when some of the biggest donors to Labour are private healthcare hedge funds?

Oh come off it - we are moving on up! As of 3 minutes ago the Tories have lost 228 😬councillor seats, Labour have gained 99.

I heard this member of the public on Radio 4 in Redditch say that they shouldn’t make people work in wheel chairs. The trouble is Tories have got a massively flawed reputation, they are completely out of touch! whereas Labour are Sit down with me and people are ! 😂

Sunak of course. Everyone knows he's out the day after the GE. TBH, he has a brass neck leading the Tories to the election. How are Conservative voters supposed to know what they're voting for?