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To be terrified about PIP?

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BobbyBiscuits · 29/04/2024 15:10

I've tried to blank all this out for ages, but today it hit me when the government basically are saying I'm going to (they want me to) have my PIP cut off?
My main illnesses are severe depressive disorder, general anxiety disorder and severe anorexia. I've severe PTSD symptoms and also think I may have ADHD but have not been able to get diagnosed due to phobia of MH services since I got sectioned.
I now have physical symptoms also and severe osteperosis which I put on my last forms. But had no assessment for several years.
I'm praying this is BS from the Tories and they can't do it anyway as they'll be kicked out.
Or could labour still continue this assault against disabled people?
It would halve my already tiny income, other half is from ESA, and they could kick me off that too even though I can't do anything!?

What do people think?

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WiseKhakiGoose · 29/04/2024 21:56

Pin0cchio · 29/04/2024 21:52

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7540/CBP-7540.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjG1pCcpuiFAxVOgf0HHTWSBCIQFnoECA8QBg&usg=AOvVaw2dwh5I63hrDQ7QSEbLPUsM

I was asked to verify the stat about 25-30% of working age population and disability. Sorry i should have been clearer about the stats, i was wrong, its 24%, but rising all the time.

Over 10m adults in the uk from 16-64 report a disability. Its 24% of the working age population.

I know not all those people will be on pip and many will work but doesn't it strike anyone as a bit nuts that we classify 1 in 4 people as "disabled".

I can't open it, can you please write it one more time?

IMustDoMoreExercise · 29/04/2024 21:57

Fresh1ndia · 29/04/2024 21:54

Because she has autism and adhd for which there is no cure on top of ptsd and anorexia which she will probably always have to live with as it’s now so entrenched ( thanks CAMHS and thanks Tories for your lack of inpatient facilities).

Well, if she has additional financial needs for her autism and adhd, then she can get vouchers for those needs as well. She doesn't need cash.

Fresh1ndia · 29/04/2024 21:57

You see the Tories are so dim they don’t realise that if you don’t provide adequate MH care or SENd provision young people get worse not better.

My dd has an EHCP too which is about as much use as a chocolate teapot as there is no send provison for her.

XenoBitch · 29/04/2024 21:59

Pin0cchio · 29/04/2024 21:52

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7540/CBP-7540.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjG1pCcpuiFAxVOgf0HHTWSBCIQFnoECA8QBg&usg=AOvVaw2dwh5I63hrDQ7QSEbLPUsM

I was asked to verify the stat about 25-30% of working age population and disability. Sorry i should have been clearer about the stats, i was wrong, its 24%, but rising all the time.

Over 10m adults in the uk from 16-64 report a disability. Its 24% of the working age population.

I know not all those people will be on pip and many will work but doesn't it strike anyone as a bit nuts that we classify 1 in 4 people as "disabled".

I don't think the 1 in 4 people being disabled is nuts.. Like you said, not all will be claiming benefit for that. And we have an aging population where age related disabilities are a thing.

We need to be humble. Being able bodied is temporary.

XenoBitch · 29/04/2024 22:00

IMustDoMoreExercise · 29/04/2024 21:57

Well, if she has additional financial needs for her autism and adhd, then she can get vouchers for those needs as well. She doesn't need cash.

Please tell us what vouchers someone should get for being autistic?
Is there a special "autism voucher" thing?

Pin0cchio · 29/04/2024 22:00

Its a House of Commons briefing paper recently published so up to date. Search for cbp-7540 "disabled people in employment" and it will come up in searches.

Fresh1ndia · 29/04/2024 22:01

IMustDoMoreExercise · 29/04/2024 21:57

Well, if she has additional financial needs for her autism and adhd, then she can get vouchers for those needs as well. She doesn't need cash.

Says who? She uses it for all sorts of things. Every person is different. It’s hard to predict and have fists full of vouchers for all sorts of things isn’t that helpful if you are struggling. Aside from anything the cost of administering all this will be insane. The type of provision she needs can’t be covered by a generic counsellor with an ology in talk therapy.

Fresh1ndia · 29/04/2024 22:01

XenoBitch · 29/04/2024 22:00

Please tell us what vouchers someone should get for being autistic?
Is there a special "autism voucher" thing?

Quite!

Pin0cchio · 29/04/2024 22:01

I don't think the 1 in 4 people being disabled is nuts.. Like you said, not all will be claiming benefit for that. And we have an aging population where age related disabilities are a thing.

This only includes people of working age so not the elderly.

The paper has a lot of relevant stats and is worth a read.

XenoBitch · 29/04/2024 22:02

Hereyoume · 29/04/2024 21:55

Their point is this.

If you are educated, you obviously are.

If you are capable of doing some sort of basic admin tasks, which you have clearly demonstrated you can do by your perfectly worded post.

Then there is some work you can do. And they want to help you to do that work and come off benefits.

Ha, you sound like a poster on a similar thread who told me I could open a coffee van, because I can post on MN.

Have a Biscuit

IMustDoMoreExercise · 29/04/2024 22:02

XenoBitch · 29/04/2024 22:00

Please tell us what vouchers someone should get for being autistic?
Is there a special "autism voucher" thing?

Whatever she needs the extra money for. What additonal financial costs does she have because she is autistic?

XenoBitch · 29/04/2024 22:04

IMustDoMoreExercise · 29/04/2024 22:02

Whatever she needs the extra money for. What additonal financial costs does she have because she is autistic?

Tell us you have no experience of autism, without telling us you have no experience of autism.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 29/04/2024 22:05

Fresh1ndia · 29/04/2024 22:01

Says who? She uses it for all sorts of things. Every person is different. It’s hard to predict and have fists full of vouchers for all sorts of things isn’t that helpful if you are struggling. Aside from anything the cost of administering all this will be insane. The type of provision she needs can’t be covered by a generic counsellor with an ology in talk therapy.

So what does she use it for? You say lots of things but do not give even one example.

But the country cannot afford the billions that PIP is costing currently, let alone the extra tens of billions it is going to cost in the future if nothing is done.

Pin0cchio · 29/04/2024 22:05

In all seriousness, if you can post regularly on mnet, there are things you have plenty of skills to do. So then it's about whats stopping people and can anything be done to help them access work.

Eg - compel employers to offer flexibility/remote work

  • provide therapy to enable people to cope with anxiety triggers etc
  • encourage employers to make workplaces more disability friendly
IMustDoMoreExercise · 29/04/2024 22:06

XenoBitch · 29/04/2024 22:04

Tell us you have no experience of autism, without telling us you have no experience of autism.

If I knew then I wouldn't be asking would I?

My ex boyfriend was autistic, but he did not have any additional financial needs.

Hereyoume · 29/04/2024 22:06

XenoBitch · 29/04/2024 22:02

Ha, you sound like a poster on a similar thread who told me I could open a coffee van, because I can post on MN.

Have a Biscuit

I'm not the one changing PIP.

The OP is going to be forced to work, the changes will happen. My post is just referencing the Governments logic.

Fresh1ndia · 29/04/2024 22:08

IMustDoMoreExercise · 29/04/2024 22:02

Whatever she needs the extra money for. What additonal financial costs does she have because she is autistic?

Wow!😱

Pin0cchio · 29/04/2024 22:08

Where do we draw the line?

If more, and more and more people require financial support (whether to pay for costs associated with disability or to fund them living without employment) and less and less people are working to provide it, the maths does not work, you have too few people providing, the support gets spread too thinly. It's what is happening now. A tiny population of workers can't produce enough to financially support a huge group of non working disabled people.

ArchesOfsunflowers · 29/04/2024 22:09

As a carer my first thought with vouchers if that effectively reduces what I can get!
I keep costs very low, for example fruit and veg down the market. My weekly cost of fruit and veg would get me about 3 punnets of berries at supermarket prices! It’s prevents you making your money stretch. Another thing you can’t do with vouchers is buy second hand. I get cheap clothing on Vinted, Facebook etc. it would cost far far more in a shop. £20 in my pocket can go a long way. A £20 voucher in my pocket is fuck all.

SummerBreeze1980 · 29/04/2024 22:09

FeetupTvon · 29/04/2024 15:38

If I’m off work, I feel depressed. Working keeps me happy. There are too many people of working age that are suffering from depression/anxiety mildly who working will help.
A reason to get up, mixing with people, having an aim in life, achieving something daily.
They are the people who will have PIP stopped.

You do realise PIP is paid to people in work?

Fresh1ndia · 29/04/2024 22:09

Hereyoume · 29/04/2024 22:06

I'm not the one changing PIP.

The OP is going to be forced to work, the changes will happen. My post is just referencing the Governments logic.

The op has severe anorexia, depression, ptsd and adhd- how will she work?

IMustDoMoreExercise · 29/04/2024 22:10

Fresh1ndia · 29/04/2024 22:08

Wow!😱

Well what? My ex boyfriend was autistic and he didnt' have any additional financal needs.

Fresh1ndia · 29/04/2024 22:11

IMustDoMoreExercise · 29/04/2024 22:06

If I knew then I wouldn't be asking would I?

My ex boyfriend was autistic, but he did not have any additional financial needs.

Autism varies massively. No one person is the same. My daughter needs it for travel costs, heating, extra food expenses for the anorexia…all sorts of things.

Fresh1ndia · 29/04/2024 22:12

IMustDoMoreExercise · 29/04/2024 22:10

Well what? My ex boyfriend was autistic and he didnt' have any additional financal needs.

If you’ve met one person with autism you’ve met one person. My dd has pip for several
conditions not just the autism.

XenoBitch · 29/04/2024 22:12

Hereyoume · 29/04/2024 22:06

I'm not the one changing PIP.

The OP is going to be forced to work, the changes will happen. My post is just referencing the Governments logic.

OP is on PIP.... and many on PIP work. It is not an out of work benefit. For many, it enables them to work.

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