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To be terrified about PIP?

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BobbyBiscuits · 29/04/2024 15:10

I've tried to blank all this out for ages, but today it hit me when the government basically are saying I'm going to (they want me to) have my PIP cut off?
My main illnesses are severe depressive disorder, general anxiety disorder and severe anorexia. I've severe PTSD symptoms and also think I may have ADHD but have not been able to get diagnosed due to phobia of MH services since I got sectioned.
I now have physical symptoms also and severe osteperosis which I put on my last forms. But had no assessment for several years.
I'm praying this is BS from the Tories and they can't do it anyway as they'll be kicked out.
Or could labour still continue this assault against disabled people?
It would halve my already tiny income, other half is from ESA, and they could kick me off that too even though I can't do anything!?

What do people think?

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Julen7 · 30/04/2024 18:01

Willyoujustbequiet · 30/04/2024 17:27

If a person can't drive, use public transport or walk what do you suggest they do? Fly?

Taxis are not a luxury by definition if you have no other way.

Look up the definition of a necessity in the dictionary and check your privilege.

Get a lift with family/friends?

pointythings · 30/04/2024 18:05

Julen7 · 30/04/2024 18:01

Get a lift with family/friends?

Because everyone has family and friends who are always available to provide lifts when it's really needed. Yep.

Julen7 · 30/04/2024 18:06

pointythings · 30/04/2024 18:05

Because everyone has family and friends who are always available to provide lifts when it's really needed. Yep.

It’s what many people do…

SummerBreeze1980 · 30/04/2024 18:08

Bumpitybumper · 30/04/2024 17:30

I'm not sure why you are determined to pretend that it's a lack of understanding as opposed to a difference of opinion.

At no point has anyone suggested disabled people shouldn't be able to use taxis. Posters are literally arguing with nobody. There is a disagreement as to whether taxis are a luxury in that they are expensive and considered a generally pleasant mode of transport or if they lose their 'luxury' status if it's someone only realistic mode of transport. That is literally the extent of the debate! Not whether disabled people should be able to access them which has never been disputed.

I don't know who said it but someone commented they only thought a disabled person should be able to use a taxi to attend necessary appointments. So yes, people have said that.

Willyoujustbequiet · 30/04/2024 18:13

Bumpitybumper · 30/04/2024 17:31

Well I can only speak for the people that I know but morals and pride definitely play a part. Also, some are wealthy and therefore feel that they can and should pay 'their way'.

Morals and pride play a part?

Are you suggesting that those that claim don't have morals or pride?

Talkamongstyourselves · 30/04/2024 18:13

Julen7 · 30/04/2024 18:01

Get a lift with family/friends?

Well if the only person available is cousin Mary with her little Fiat 500, she's not much use to someone in a wheelchair is she?

pointythings · 30/04/2024 18:14

Julen7 · 30/04/2024 18:06

It’s what many people do…

Those that can, sure. That isn't everyone.

Bumpitybumper · 30/04/2024 18:15

SummerBreeze1980 · 30/04/2024 18:08

I don't know who said it but someone commented they only thought a disabled person should be able to use a taxi to attend necessary appointments. So yes, people have said that.

No they didn't. I said that it was absolutely undisputed that disabled people should be able to use taxis for medical appointments. I said that due to the cost involved there may be a point where some 'unnecessary' journeys might be considered excessive by some. I never suggested that this included all other journeys or even what this excess might look like, other than the Edinburgh to London example.

So once again, nobody has actually written what you think they have. You have taken a post and misinterpreted so that it suits your ableist narrative that you want to project on people that disagree with you. It's hugely offensive!

SummerBreeze1980 · 30/04/2024 18:15

Bumpitybumper · 30/04/2024 17:53

Yes and he got a load of judgment for that (some would argue rightly so). There is a good chunk of society that don't want to claim something that they don't feel they need but may feel entitled to. To be honest I think we should all be grateful to those not looking to milk the system for all it's worth as it does leave more in the pot for those in genuine need of support.

Except it doesn't work like that. They don't take the pretty substantial amount of benefits not claimed and then at the end of the year divvy it up between everyone like some kind of Christmas present 😂

Bumpitybumper · 30/04/2024 18:18

Willyoujustbequiet · 30/04/2024 18:13

Morals and pride play a part?

Are you suggesting that those that claim don't have morals or pride?

Nope. Haven't written or implied that. Please stop twisting my posts. There is absolutely nothing wrong with someone not claiming a benefit they are entitled to on the grounds they don't need it. That is by definition an ethical and moral choice and undoubtedly helpful from a public finances perspective. It doesn't mean you are immoral or unethical if you do claim.

Willyoujustbequiet · 30/04/2024 18:21

Bumpitybumper · 30/04/2024 17:46

They can be both though. If you could only fly on a private jet due to some health consideration and you absolutely needed to be somewhere then you could argue that a private jet is a necessity but that doesn't stop it being a luxury service as well. It has all the hallmarks of a luxury and the price tag to boot. The fact that someone needs as opposed to wants to use it doesn't change this fact

Also i reemphasise that nobody has suggested disabled people shouldn't have access to taxis. You have clearly trawled through my posts and can't find any evidence of this and that's because it never happened. Please stop trying to pretend that it did and I am some monster that wants disabled people housebound. It just makes me think that you can't engage with what's actually being written and the nuance that involves.

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I was being facetious when I said fly. I should have stuck with teleport and then perhaps the idocacy of calling taxis luxurious by nature for the disabled who have no other means would have been clearer.

I haven't trawled through anything. I responded directly to your incorrect statement on one recent post.

The irony of you raising nuance is lost on you clearly.

Bumpitybumper · 30/04/2024 18:21

SummerBreeze1980 · 30/04/2024 18:15

Except it doesn't work like that. They don't take the pretty substantial amount of benefits not claimed and then at the end of the year divvy it up between everyone like some kind of Christmas present 😂

Again, I never said they did.

Unclaimed benefits are (a pretty substantial) part of the public spending picture. If all of these benefits were claimed then we would have to raise more money through taxation (hard to do) or get into further debt as a country. The third alternative is of course that we cut services and spending which I assume you're not a fan of?

Willyoujustbequiet · 30/04/2024 18:24

Julen7 · 30/04/2024 18:01

Get a lift with family/friends?

If they have none locally or none available?

Boomer55 · 30/04/2024 18:24

societies · 30/04/2024 17:11

Approach them. The garden was so professionally done, all year round, every year, when the Council came to tend to the nearby local park. It is the first I 'clocked' the couple had limited mobility. Years later, the husband died. Last I saw the lady, she too had got on in age, so I am sure the Council still tends to her garden. Lovely people. They also had an adjusted car. They own their own home, so never thought the car could have been funded, but now I guess it was.

I have. They don’t. Councils have had their funding slashed.

Bumpitybumper · 30/04/2024 18:28

Willyoujustbequiet · 30/04/2024 18:21

I was being facetious when I said fly. I should have stuck with teleport and then perhaps the idocacy of calling taxis luxurious by nature for the disabled who have no other means would have been clearer.

I haven't trawled through anything. I responded directly to your incorrect statement on one recent post.

The irony of you raising nuance is lost on you clearly.

You didn't use the word 'fly' in the post I quoted so I literally have no idea what you're talking about. Once again though, make up some narrative that I literally thought you meant 'fly' because I'm some kind of ableist idiot.

I am not the one incapable of nuance and at least I read what others have written properly and don't make up some alternative reality.

Willyoujustbequiet · 30/04/2024 18:28

Bumpitybumper · 30/04/2024 18:18

Nope. Haven't written or implied that. Please stop twisting my posts. There is absolutely nothing wrong with someone not claiming a benefit they are entitled to on the grounds they don't need it. That is by definition an ethical and moral choice and undoubtedly helpful from a public finances perspective. It doesn't mean you are immoral or unethical if you do claim.

I didn't say there was.

You said they didn't claim because of morals and pride. So the inference being that those who do have neither. Perhaps you didn't intend it but that's how it came across.

XenoBitch · 30/04/2024 18:28

SummerBreeze1980 · 30/04/2024 18:08

I don't know who said it but someone commented they only thought a disabled person should be able to use a taxi to attend necessary appointments. So yes, people have said that.

I saw that too.

I know a lady who can barely walk (so can't use buses), use a taxi at great expense to get to her own sister's funeral.

societies · 30/04/2024 18:30

Boomer55 · 30/04/2024 18:24

I have. They don’t. Councils have had their funding slashed.

I see. sorry to hear. I think you said you are on top of your award. I am sure where they feel they need to step in- severe condition and/or lack of funds- the council will step in or freeholder.

I am sure pp are aware it is unlawful to keep an unkept garden that leads to nuisance i.e mice etc etc etc in England?

Boomer55 · 30/04/2024 18:32

The point is, in society, we all help fund things we don’t use.

I never, despite working full time, when younger and fitter, could claim childcare subsidies. It didn’t happen then. You paid yourself.

But, I don’t begrudge those that get it now.🤷‍♀️

Bumpitybumper · 30/04/2024 18:32

Willyoujustbequiet · 30/04/2024 18:28

I didn't say there was.

You said they didn't claim because of morals and pride. So the inference being that those who do have neither. Perhaps you didn't intend it but that's how it came across.

No, that's how you wanted to read it. If I wrote my friend doesn't eat meat for moral reasons, would you assume I was casting aspersions on all meat eaters? Or my religious friend wears a hijab for moral reasons, does that mean that I am thinking anyone that doesn't do this is immoral?

It wasn't implied or written. You inferred it because it suits your narrative.

Boomer55 · 30/04/2024 18:32

societies · 30/04/2024 18:30

I see. sorry to hear. I think you said you are on top of your award. I am sure where they feel they need to step in- severe condition and/or lack of funds- the council will step in or freeholder.

I am sure pp are aware it is unlawful to keep an unkept garden that leads to nuisance i.e mice etc etc etc in England?

They don’t. They just don’t. What more can I say? 🤷‍♀️. I’m in social housing, and I pay for the gardener.

Willyoujustbequiet · 30/04/2024 18:36

Bumpitybumper · 30/04/2024 18:28

You didn't use the word 'fly' in the post I quoted so I literally have no idea what you're talking about. Once again though, make up some narrative that I literally thought you meant 'fly' because I'm some kind of ableist idiot.

I am not the one incapable of nuance and at least I read what others have written properly and don't make up some alternative reality.

Read what others have written properly?

Oh the irony lol

My reply quoting you literally says fly. Then you started talking about planes. What a coincidence if you claim to have no knowledge of what I was talking about!

Perhaps you need to take the time to read things properly.

SummerBreeze1980 · 30/04/2024 18:38

Julen7 · 30/04/2024 18:06

It’s what many people do…

It may be but most people don't have family and friends at their beck and call. Most of them would be at work, surely?

Boomer55 · 30/04/2024 18:38

Willyoujustbequiet · 30/04/2024 18:36

Read what others have written properly?

Oh the irony lol

My reply quoting you literally says fly. Then you started talking about planes. What a coincidence if you claim to have no knowledge of what I was talking about!

Perhaps you need to take the time to read things properly.

Well, if it helps, I cannot fly - first class, second class, or in the hold lol 🙄

Willyoujustbequiet · 30/04/2024 18:39

Bumpitybumper · 30/04/2024 18:32

No, that's how you wanted to read it. If I wrote my friend doesn't eat meat for moral reasons, would you assume I was casting aspersions on all meat eaters? Or my religious friend wears a hijab for moral reasons, does that mean that I am thinking anyone that doesn't do this is immoral?

It wasn't implied or written. You inferred it because it suits your narrative.

When you're in a hole stop digging.

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