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Do you begrudge high earners?

340 replies

cheerscheerscheerstomeyeahcheers · 28/04/2024 08:47

Do you actually understand what they do and why they earn so much?
Would you be actually willing to put in the time and effort yourself?

I see so much griping about people that earn a lot, but I also see a lot of ignorance about why they earn what they do.

OP posts:
Nannyfannybanny · 28/04/2024 09:31

When I did return for the bag, I was told by the head of the drawing office I couldn't take a joke. That I was ok with the bum slapping,"jokes", only because I took Claire Rayners advice . In the 60s I was modeling, offered huge amount of money to take my clothes off.... nope I never did.

Pippa246 · 28/04/2024 09:32

Nannyfannybanny · 28/04/2024 09:28

Money was never a big issue for me. I always said job satisfaction was more important, I was nursing over 40 years. I did a few other jobs as well. The highest paid was in London surveyor in the building trade, this was in the 70s, lots of verbal sexual abuse (Claire Rayner agony aunt said ignore that and the bum slapping, don't let them see you react) I did, then one day, I was called into the drawing office, and 3 of them tried to get my clothes off. I managed with difficulty to get away, beating on the door, screaming at the 16 year old opposite on the phone, only other female in the place to call the police. She just sat there with her mouth open. I ran out, didn't even stop for my handbag. Started training a year later.

im sorry that happened to you 💐

whistleblower99 · 28/04/2024 09:32

Pippa246 · 28/04/2024 09:29

No not necessarily - if they tax avoid which I reckon 99.9% of them do. As I said, on that amount of money you can afford an accountant to get you out of paying tax. Wake up.

Again. You’re showing your lack of understanding with salary vs wealth. At most someone on PAYE can out in extra to a pension to reduce their tax burden. High earners on PAYE are literally the people funding the country for themselves and everyone else. It’s the people hiding behind wealth, assets and dividends who you are thinking of. People on a salary via PAYE are paying extortionate amounts of tax and quite literally funding UK plc.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 28/04/2024 09:32

Many people do and at a lot less than the "300k" op has stated

Pippa246 · 28/04/2024 09:33

MotherofGorgons · 28/04/2024 09:31

Any data to back up this assertion?

Not to hand but I’m not naive so I don’t need to find a source

GreatGateauxsby · 28/04/2024 09:34

Pippa246 · 28/04/2024 09:29

No not necessarily - if they tax avoid which I reckon 99.9% of them do. As I said, on that amount of money you can afford an accountant to get you out of paying tax. Wake up.

Ludicrous and laughable.

i don’t make 300k but I’m touching 200k I pay over £75k in taxes and NI every year…. I’m not usual in this

BeaRF75 · 28/04/2024 09:34

No. They work hard and take huge amounts of responsibility in their jobs. They pay a lot of tax, spend on goods & services and often employ people too. The country needs them.

EasternStandard · 28/04/2024 09:35

No for a variety of reasons including the tax burden

Kinshipug · 28/04/2024 09:36

Pippa246 · 28/04/2024 09:29

No not necessarily - if they tax avoid which I reckon 99.9% of them do. As I said, on that amount of money you can afford an accountant to get you out of paying tax. Wake up.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8513/

There you go, in black and white, how wrong you are.

MotherofGorgons · 28/04/2024 09:36

Pippa246 · 28/04/2024 09:33

Not to hand but I’m not naive so I don’t need to find a source

Ok then.

whistleblower99 · 28/04/2024 09:37

GreatGateauxsby · 28/04/2024 09:34

Ludicrous and laughable.

i don’t make 300k but I’m touching 200k I pay over £75k in taxes and NI every year…. I’m not usual in this

This.

Pippa246 · 28/04/2024 09:38

whistleblower99 · 28/04/2024 09:32

Again. You’re showing your lack of understanding with salary vs wealth. At most someone on PAYE can out in extra to a pension to reduce their tax burden. High earners on PAYE are literally the people funding the country for themselves and everyone else. It’s the people hiding behind wealth, assets and dividends who you are thinking of. People on a salary via PAYE are paying extortionate amounts of tax and quite literally funding UK plc.

i think we are on the same page really.

but I did pay lots into my pension which wasn’t taxed at the time but is now.

I’m a nurse who ended up teaching/in research and for a 60K plus salary but I don’t think of that as being a high earner despite what the average wage is.

Botanica · 28/04/2024 09:38

Assertions that 99.9% of earners over £300k are tax avoiding are just crazy....

Bugs me when folks speculate on people they know nothing about.

There's definitely a bunch of folks on here creating an unpleasant narrative of what they think high earners are both saying and doing, but completely disconnected from reality.

MotherofGorgons · 28/04/2024 09:38

Kinshipug · 28/04/2024 09:36

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8513/

There you go, in black and white, how wrong you are.

TLDR: The 10% of income taxpayers with the largest incomes contribute over 60% of income tax receipts.

GreatGateauxsby · 28/04/2024 09:39

Pippa246 · 28/04/2024 09:33

Not to hand but I’m not naive so I don’t need to find a source

I’ll help you….

The 10% of income taxpayers with the largest incomes contribute over 60% of income tax receipts.

if 99.9% of them are dodging it do the maths on that.

Meadowfinch · 28/04/2024 09:40

No point wasting time being envious when I could be adding to my own earnings.

Also, having worked in an investment bank, you couldn't pay me enough to go back.

I'll take the lower salary to work with people I like. It's worth every penny. 🙂

Pippa246 · 28/04/2024 09:41

Botanica · 28/04/2024 09:38

Assertions that 99.9% of earners over £300k are tax avoiding are just crazy....

Bugs me when folks speculate on people they know nothing about.

There's definitely a bunch of folks on here creating an unpleasant narrative of what they think high earners are both saying and doing, but completely disconnected from reality.

Of course they are!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-37645051.amp

Clockwise from top left: Kenny Dalglish, Rick Parfitt, Wayne Rooney, Jimmy Carr, Lady Ann Redgrave, Arsene Wenger

Celebrities' tax relief on empty centres - BBC News

Footballers, celebrities, bankers and lawyers face attempts by HMRC to claw back tax relief they obtained through a data centre business.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-37645051.amp

PotatoPudding · 28/04/2024 09:41

How much would it cost the company if you left tomorrow without notice?

DH isn’t a £300k high earner, but he has a decent salary. If he walked out tomorrow, the company would lose millions.

I work part time and earn a few quid more than minimum. If I left tomorrow, my boss would be mildly inconvenienced until she found a replacement.

Botanica · 28/04/2024 09:42

The phrase 'working hard' needs to be kept completely separate from discussions on salary and wealth.

It can mean so many different things to different people - emotional labour, physical labour, intellectual work, responsibility, shouldering of consequence, hours in the job...

There is no like for like when we talk about 'working hard'...

Pippa246 · 28/04/2024 09:42

GreatGateauxsby · 28/04/2024 09:39

I’ll help you….

The 10% of income taxpayers with the largest incomes contribute over 60% of income tax receipts.

if 99.9% of them are dodging it do the maths on that.

yeah well try telling that to Bono or Google

ClonedSquare · 28/04/2024 09:43

Not all high earners are working that much harder than other people.

My husband is a high earner and I'm not saying his job is easy peasy, but I wouldn't say it's even in the top 10 of hardest jobs people I know have. It's a clearly defined 9-5 with no work outside those hours, work from home as much as he likes, and he's a consultant so he can take whatever time off gets likes and he doesn't have to do all the targets, appraisals, chasing promotions etc.

I certainly worked a hell of a lot harder when I was a teacher and even when I switched to an office role, I wouldn't say it was less stressful than his job.

Botanica · 28/04/2024 09:46

Botanica · 28/04/2024 09:42

The phrase 'working hard' needs to be kept completely separate from discussions on salary and wealth.

It can mean so many different things to different people - emotional labour, physical labour, intellectual work, responsibility, shouldering of consequence, hours in the job...

There is no like for like when we talk about 'working hard'...

Same for the concept of 'stressful'

We all have vastly different tolerance levels of what we can and are prepared to handle.

Mnetcurious · 28/04/2024 09:47

MotherofGorgons · 28/04/2024 09:38

TLDR: The 10% of income taxpayers with the largest incomes contribute over 60% of income tax receipts.

True. They still have a lot more spare money (the post-tax portion of their income) than low earners though. I don’t resent high earners at all but let’s not pretend that they don’t still have lots of money left over even after they’ve paid a lot of tax.

MotherofGorgons · 28/04/2024 09:48

Pippa246 · 28/04/2024 09:42

yeah well try telling that to Bono or Google

Edited

Bono and high earning salaried employees are simply not comparable.

StormingNorman · 28/04/2024 09:50

The top 1% of taxpayers contributed 29% of income tax revenue last year.

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