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to ask you about different types of privilege women can have? e.g slim, educated

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pepperandapples · 27/04/2024 11:30

Just that really - what are the different types of privilege that women can have that make them more or less privileged than other women?

e.g able bodied, wealth, education, slim. What else is there?

is height one? how about hair colour and accent etc?

I am trying to understand

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StarlightLime · 27/04/2024 20:34

Pebbles16 · 27/04/2024 20:19

@Finlesswonder And sometimes the white liberal privilege just can't help itself can it?

What culture prohibits you from exercising?

ineedtostopbeingdramaticfirst · 27/04/2024 20:34

None of the things you mentioned are female specific and actually men benefit more from privilege

Dollenganger333 · 27/04/2024 20:36

@sheoaouhra are you trying to be the most militant Teeny-tiny on Mumsnet? 😂😂

Honestly, I remember reading comments like yours from a poster who turned out to be a moderator from a pro-Ana site.

It annoys me when people reject scientific information in favour of their own issues.

SquirrelHash · 27/04/2024 20:45
  • Health privilege (i.e nothing wrong physically etc, no illness, strong immune system etc)
  • Wealth privilege (less stress, able to do health things preemptively (private HRT clinic, had a tooth drilled into "just in case it was decay' and it turned out it was the very beginnings of what would have been a bigger filling etc), have full health screening at Harley street each year etc. Home security.

One privilege particularly women have is not having to worry about conscription if there is a war (unless this changes or has changed) - though I'm too old for that now

BIossomtoes · 27/04/2024 20:46

Dollenganger333 · 27/04/2024 20:36

@sheoaouhra are you trying to be the most militant Teeny-tiny on Mumsnet? 😂😂

Honestly, I remember reading comments like yours from a poster who turned out to be a moderator from a pro-Ana site.

It annoys me when people reject scientific information in favour of their own issues.

It just makes them look completely stupid. 🤷‍♀️

SquirrelHash · 27/04/2024 20:47

Fertility privilege- some women have no problems conceiving and suffer no miscarriages in their life. I am one of those women

BIossomtoes · 27/04/2024 20:47

One privilege particularly women have is not having to worry about conscription if there is a war (unless this changes or has changed)

Women were conscripted in 1942.

muggart · 27/04/2024 20:48

Sadly, I think for women one of the biggest ones is attractiveness. I think this is a bigger privilege than other obvious ones like race, intelligence, even education level in many cases.

Health is huge too, of course, but that's not sex specific.

Does height really matter for women? I know for men it's proved to correlate with wealth but I don't know about women.

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 27/04/2024 20:48

I do love all these posts desperately trying to deny privilege exists and that they might have it.
Newsflash - it does and you, if you are posting here, very likely do.

Thorfire · 27/04/2024 20:49

SquirrelHash · 27/04/2024 20:47

Fertility privilege- some women have no problems conceiving and suffer no miscarriages in their life. I am one of those women

This is insane! 😂
I’ve had consecutive miscarriages but that doesn’t mean I would even consider women who have kids and no miscarriages have anymore advantage in life than me 🤯 it’s just life

MsCactus · 27/04/2024 20:51

CountingCrones · 27/04/2024 11:55

Genetics. I will be short and dumpy no matter how much I exercise, just like my parents and grandparents before me.

My best friend and her children will be tall and muscular like their Viking family before them.

Tall and attractive people are paid more than short or less attractive. Many studies show this.

Race, class, disability (or lack), income, mental health, stable home (or lack), Adverse Childhood Experience and sexuality are far more crucial in privilege or the lack, but “pretty privilege” and “thin privilege” exist.

Height is only a factor in earnings for men, interestingly. Tall men earn more than short men. There's no correlation for women.

However slim women, on average, do earn more than overweight women.

Interestingly, weight has no bearing on earning potential of men...

K37529 · 27/04/2024 20:51

Is this really a thing? How does being skinny for example make you privileged? I get pretty privilege, but don’t think that really comes down to specifics like weight, hair colour etc just depends on your overall look

MsCactus · 27/04/2024 20:53

muggart · 27/04/2024 20:48

Sadly, I think for women one of the biggest ones is attractiveness. I think this is a bigger privilege than other obvious ones like race, intelligence, even education level in many cases.

Health is huge too, of course, but that's not sex specific.

Does height really matter for women? I know for men it's proved to correlate with wealth but I don't know about women.

Height matters for men's earnings but makes no difference for women based on studies.

I actually think shorter women are perceived to be more attractive than taller women in research into attractiveness etc

And privilege for being attractive (for both sexes) is huge

sheoaouhra · 27/04/2024 20:56

CrispieCake · 27/04/2024 20:10

"Invisibility" privilege. Counter-intuitive but I really do think it is a huge advantage to women to be free of men coming up and pestering them. I like to think that I scrubbed up reasonably well when I was younger (perhaps deluded!), but when commuting to work wearing trainers, glasses, a rucksack and an old oversized cardigan, I attracted very little attention, which was exactly how I liked it. One of my office buddies was very pretty tall blonde young women a couple of years younger than me and she admitted one day that she hated commuting because of the unwelcome attention received. She was quite quiet by nature to so it was hard for her to deal with, I think.

I agree, being plain and middle aged is a huge advantage

sheoaouhra · 27/04/2024 20:58

Pebbles16 · 27/04/2024 20:03

Not if your culture doesn't allow it. Not if your genes are against you. Not if your budget is limited.
Look at your own privilege in your comment

budget has nothing to do with being slim, not in the slightest.

excuses, excuses, excuses. If you are obese, it is because you are choosing not to change, in almost all cases

sheoaouhra · 27/04/2024 21:00

Dollenganger333 · 27/04/2024 20:36

@sheoaouhra are you trying to be the most militant Teeny-tiny on Mumsnet? 😂😂

Honestly, I remember reading comments like yours from a poster who turned out to be a moderator from a pro-Ana site.

It annoys me when people reject scientific information in favour of their own issues.

It annoys me when people spread toxic misinformation, which will have a profoundly negative effect on the quality of life and life expectancy of people believing it.

If you are obese, and don't want to be, then change it

simples

Pebbles16 · 27/04/2024 21:06

sheoaouhra · 27/04/2024 21:00

It annoys me when people spread toxic misinformation, which will have a profoundly negative effect on the quality of life and life expectancy of people believing it.

If you are obese, and don't want to be, then change it

simples

You are so obtuse.
This is my final comment to you.
Obesity is rarely a choice. It is a mix of cultural, societal, genetic, medical, hormonal, emotional etc factors.
Educate yourself if you really want to preach your toxicity

PrincessTeaSet · 27/04/2024 21:12

pepperandapples · 27/04/2024 11:41

There are lots of articles online discussing blonde privilege, for example. That is what I meant in relation to hair colour

Hardly any adult women are naturally blonde. Is having dyed hair and looking identical to every other woman with dyed blonde hair really a privilege?

PrincessTeaSet · 27/04/2024 21:30

Finlesswonder · 27/04/2024 20:14

That sounds like a culture worth rejecting. Running is free.

Can you imagine being an overweight middle aged woman running round rough areas of any inner city?
Likely to result in abuse from everyone from teenagers to taxi drivers. Not the most appealing prospect.
Then imagine this woman is also a single parent and has a job. She has no time to go running as she's at work or with her children.
Unfortunately this is the life of many women in deprived areas.
Maybe she has a chronic health condition as well. (As many poor people do).
Of course she also has no spare money for fresh healthy food. She can't fill up on lean meats, nuts and salads - her options are be hungry or eat cheap junk.
I mean obviously she could "just eat less" but it's pretty obvious why people don't and why obesity is so strongly linked with deprivation

ANGIEPANGY77 · 27/04/2024 21:31

Race

sheoaouhra · 27/04/2024 21:35

most of this is nothing to do with "privilege". Many of these characteristics have advantages and disadvantages

OneTC · 27/04/2024 21:36

If I'm getting on board with the slicing and was going to think about thin privilege I'd suggest that thinness/health is likely indicative of other, more obvious and easily understood privileges

PrincessTeaSet · 27/04/2024 21:36

sheoaouhra · 27/04/2024 20:58

budget has nothing to do with being slim, not in the slightest.

excuses, excuses, excuses. If you are obese, it is because you are choosing not to change, in almost all cases

Sorry but you're completely wrong. There's loads of evidence that obesity is a poverty associated public health problem.

Everything is harder when you're poor. Things like relationship breakdown, domestic abuse, all kinds of health conditions, life expectancy. Why should losing weight be any different?

sheoaouhra · 27/04/2024 21:38

PrincessTeaSet · 27/04/2024 21:36

Sorry but you're completely wrong. There's loads of evidence that obesity is a poverty associated public health problem.

Everything is harder when you're poor. Things like relationship breakdown, domestic abuse, all kinds of health conditions, life expectancy. Why should losing weight be any different?

its a choice.