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to ask you about different types of privilege women can have? e.g slim, educated

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pepperandapples · 27/04/2024 11:30

Just that really - what are the different types of privilege that women can have that make them more or less privileged than other women?

e.g able bodied, wealth, education, slim. What else is there?

is height one? how about hair colour and accent etc?

I am trying to understand

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bungaloid · 27/04/2024 16:22

Slim privilege, I think I’ve heard it all now. Try losing weight if you want to bask in that privilege.

ZsaZsaTheCat · 27/04/2024 16:24

Singleandproud · 27/04/2024 11:39

The greatest privilege anyone can have is a supportive homelife, parents that believe in you but don't diminish you and a healthy sense of self esteem without either of those things the rest pale in comparison.

But why list privilege and constantly compare ourselves to others?

Things you list as privilege aren't always privilege in every scenario, women who are very attractive / blonde often don't get taken seriously in the world of employment but they might get served faster at a bar. They also might get harassed more, whereas I'm quite comfortable in my overweight, mumsy, heading towards middle aged, greying brunette 'privilege' where blokes don't harass me when I'm out and I can invisibly go about my business.

The lady doth protest too much 🤔

Needtofixmyageingskin · 27/04/2024 16:31

Not read the full thread but being a white woman vs woman of colour. (I am a white woman).

CrystalJane2 · 27/04/2024 16:38

takemeawayagain · 27/04/2024 14:17

This is one of the weirdest threads I've ever read on here. I'm slim, it's because I eat healthily and exercise, anyone can do it, it's a lifestyle choice.

The whole privilege thing is just ridiculous IMO, everyone has their issues whether they're a minority, disabled, have poor mental health, are poor, don't have the right hair colour/height/weight/accent (apparently). I mean who's left after all that? Everybody wants to be a victim it seems.

The idea that growing up in a stable, loving home is a 'privilege' is also just ludicrous. It should just be 'the norm' not something considered super special and lucky that only a privileged minority get.

It's all just become nonsense IMO.

You think the concept of privilege is nonsense @takemeawayagain? It isn't. A black child growing up in a violent estate in a poor, one parent family is not as privileged as a white child born into inherited weath. Someone born with a lifelong disability or chronic illness is not as privileged as their counterpart. Children who attend private school are more privileged then their state school counterparts - look at the percentage of both working in industries such as law and the media to realise that. Racism, ableism, the opportunities wealth allows - they exist. Whether a woman has blonde or brown hair might be a somewhat silly example, but it's nonsense to suggest privilege is nonsense

SiobhanSharpe · 27/04/2024 16:41

The first privilege is probably race, with class/accent and education second.
Confidence and looks after that.
(Good looks etc are great when you're young, while confidence, especially in speaking up and speaking out, is important later in life and thankfully can be acquired.)

BluntPoet · 27/04/2024 16:42

pepperandapples · 27/04/2024 11:34

You don't agree that being slim affords you privilege relative to people who are overweight? Surely you can understand how this benefits you.

I have a really slow metabolism and I put a lot of effort into staying the size I am. I watch what I eat and I exercise. It’s not a privilege, I’m just prepared to do the hard work.

Perhaps the ‘privilege’ works the other way round though?

You can’t comment on what an overweight person is eating (not that I’d like to) but I’ve had endless ‘you don’t need to be on a diet’ or ‘why don’t you get something more substantial’ when I opened my lunchbox at work. Luckily I WFH now.

MaseratiIsYellow · 27/04/2024 16:44

CrystalJane2 · 27/04/2024 16:38

You think the concept of privilege is nonsense @takemeawayagain? It isn't. A black child growing up in a violent estate in a poor, one parent family is not as privileged as a white child born into inherited weath. Someone born with a lifelong disability or chronic illness is not as privileged as their counterpart. Children who attend private school are more privileged then their state school counterparts - look at the percentage of both working in industries such as law and the media to realise that. Racism, ableism, the opportunities wealth allows - they exist. Whether a woman has blonde or brown hair might be a somewhat silly example, but it's nonsense to suggest privilege is nonsense

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I don't think PP thinks that but this entire thread is about the stupid privilege categories. See the title of the AIBU.. slim, educated.

SmudgeButt · 27/04/2024 16:47

Haven't read the whole thread but has anyone mentioned eye colour? How many people that are famous, admired, etc have blue eyes? Even someone who isn't blonde but has blue eyes seems a step above.

Case in point I remember someone talking about Elizabeth Taylor when she was older and had lost a lot of her sex appeal (supposedly). The response to this was "yeah, she's fat and over fifty but violet eyes to die for".

Animatic · 27/04/2024 16:51

pepperandapples · 27/04/2024 11:34

You don't agree that being slim affords you privilege relative to people who are overweight? Surely you can understand how this benefits you.

Lol, just put trainers on and off you go to the gym.. that's how some "privileges" are made.

Boomer55 · 27/04/2024 16:54

Animatic · 27/04/2024 16:51

Lol, just put trainers on and off you go to the gym.. that's how some "privileges" are made.

Quite. Some privileges can be gained.🙄

focusonwhatmatters · 27/04/2024 16:54

40andlovelife · 27/04/2024 11:44

The most underachieving group of kids in Britain are white boys.

Go to many areas in north Manchester and tell me white is a privilege.

CLASS is the defining factor not bloody race.

Stop with this race baiting.

You need to see the bigger context.

This is a good read for anyone that wants to learn
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/explaining-white-privilege-to-a-broke-white-person_b_5269255

Explaining White Privilege To A Broke White Person

I, maybe more than most people, can completely understand why broke white folks get pissed when the word "privilege" is thrown around. As a child I was constantly discriminated against because of my poverty, and those wounds still run deep. But luckily...

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/explaining-white-privilege-to-a-broke-white-person_b_5269255

Notimeforaname · 27/04/2024 16:56

When you go to the doctor do they just assume any health issue is due to your weight and refuse to investigate further?

As a matter of fact, this has happened to me before. Very irregular periods. While I wasn't clinically underweight,just small, they told me most woman need to be over a certain weight for periods to be regular so that why I wasn't having them.

Found out years later I have pcos. 🤷‍♀️

I still dont believe being thin is a privilege. Very happy for you to have that opinion, it's just not mine.

newyorkhotel · 27/04/2024 16:56

Eh? I have blonde hair and am director of a business but it was black for the first 4 years of running the business, I've dyed it blonde.

I agree with being white and rich making a person privileged but how the fck is hair colour a privilege when it takes me 45 mins to dye it every month?

Scrunshine · 27/04/2024 16:56

40andlovelife · 27/04/2024 11:44

The most underachieving group of kids in Britain are white boys.

Go to many areas in north Manchester and tell me white is a privilege.

CLASS is the defining factor not bloody race.

Stop with this race baiting.

What a ridiculous thing to say. Class AND race are a privilege. Racism exists across classes.

Calliecarpa · 27/04/2024 16:57

pepperandapples · 27/04/2024 12:20

No, you misunderstand the point entirely. These majority women CEOs that have blonde hair do not have naturally blonde hair as naturally blonde hair is exceptionally rare in adult women. It is died. Therefore an acquired form of privilege. It is very telling that you think those women must publicly abase themselves or dye their hair -- you seem defensive.

Seeing as you saw fit to correct a PP's spelling of 'dye', you do know that you spelt it wrong yourself in this post, right? 'It is died', LOL. Mabe correct your own spelling before you start correcting other people's?

Also loving the TikTok nonsense of 'blonde privilege' being claimed as an 'objective fact'. Not just a boring old fact, but an objective fact. Hilarious.

40andlovelife · 27/04/2024 16:58

@focusonwhatmatters I do see it. I see that if my boys are taught this drivel they will most likely take on a victim status. They're not victims. They are capable of achieving.

newyorkhotel · 27/04/2024 17:00

Seeing as you saw fit to correct a PP's spelling of 'dye', you do know that you spelt it wrong yourself in this post, right? 'It is died', LOL. Mabe correct your own spelling before you start correcting other people's?

hehe- this made me chuckle 😂

EmpressaurusOfCats · 27/04/2024 17:03

People take you less seriously if you are short or see you as cute. When I went wedding dress shopping I was told in one shop they couldn't help me because I was too short.

I think being short, and fairly young-looking until recently, is why I hate the word ‘cute’ so much. It’s an insult.

I’m taking responsibility for making myself slim but I’ve never fancied being blonde.

Letsgotitans · 27/04/2024 17:06

ConflictedCheetah · 27/04/2024 11:47

Class is an absolutely massive factor it's true. But race is still relevant. I'll never have to worry about my white boys being stop and searched or racially profiled by police. Their English/Irish names won't be judged on a job application the way an African sounding name would.

Class is one but let's not pretend race isn't. They're not mutually exclusive. Privilege is incredibly layered.

So do you think white men NEVER get stopped and searched?

crostini · 27/04/2024 17:07

It's not a privilege to be slim. It's making choices everyday to eat healthily. It's within people's control.

To my understand a privilege is an attribute someone is born with or which is bestowed upon them. Wealth, class, race, ethnicity,beauty. Eg, just the same privileges or lack of, that men have.

SomethingUniqueThisTime · 27/04/2024 17:08

Age. I’m now old enough to no longer be a target for predatory men.

Although now more likely to be patronised by males of the same age, in my experience men seem to become more sexist as they get old.

Scrunshine · 27/04/2024 17:08

Being white, middle/upper class, able-bodied and in good health, access to education and good healthcare , born into money, being young are all privileges. Things that you can have by just sheer luck of how or where you were born or what time of life you are in.

I wouldn’t say that things within our control are privileges. For example hair colour and weight.

I also don’t see how height is a privilege for women. I’m short and can’t in all honesty think of one thing it has stopped me doing. Although perhaps it is in the sense that supermodels must be tall to do their job and that requires being tall.

Letsgotitans · 27/04/2024 17:10

anonima · 27/04/2024 11:54

But racism still has a huge impact. I am white living in the UK and therefore do not have to suffer the immense stresses of racism. This is a privilege.

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My white husband experiences racism regularly whilst at work from POC

Userxxxxx · 27/04/2024 17:10

Can you stop it?

no.

OneTC · 27/04/2024 17:10

I'll never have to worry about my white boys being stop and searched or racially profiled by police.

As a white male non criminal type I have been unfortunately endlessly interesting to the police, it's not a guarantee at all

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