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We should be moving towards a secular country.

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titbumwillypoo · 21/04/2024 09:56

In the last census a third of the country identified as having no religion. This is a trend that is likely to increase in the future. I believe we should be moving towards having a complete separation of Church and state.

  1. Removal of any religious leaders from the House of Lords. Believing in an invisible man is no qualification for having influence on the laws of our country.
  2. Removal of charity status for all religions. Other entertainment venues don't get charity status, why should they? If they have a good business model for their club then the membership should be enough.
  3. Removal of Faith schools. We don't let children drink or smoke or drive cars until they are mature enough to make that choice for themselves so why is it ok to allow them to be indoctrinated into these cults from such a young age?
  4. Ban children from organised worship - See point 3
  5. Ban religious symbols and dress from our streets. We don't allow nudists to wander around our city centres expressing their beliefs because it can cause offence so why do religions get to do it? What people do in their own home is up to them but publicly displaying your gang colours is divisive to a wider society. AIBU - Religion has a place in society AINBU - Religion is on the out and the faster it's gone the better.
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Barr77 · 22/04/2024 20:10

bombastix · 22/04/2024 08:28

Fact is that if you don't indoctrinate children religions die quickly. The state shouldn't be in support of that; let it be for the parents to make choices for their children.

I’m afraid that’s not true though is it, religions don’t die quickly. Something else comes and takes its place. There is a Christian revival in many Eastern European countries where the teaching of formal religion was previously banned.
Banning by and handing to the state so much power sounds a bit Soviet.

titbumwillypoo · 22/04/2024 22:03

Betterbuckleupbarbara · Today 09:49
Rather than ban all religions, ban all fundamentalists and terrorists is what you mean OP. Also why have you posted a Daily Mail of all links about one specific religion?
Again I've not said ban any religion, just to lessen the influence they have on our state institutions. Ban all fundamentalists and terrorists? By whose definition is someone a fundamentalists or terrorist? Government? Plenty of bad uns have been allies until things became financially unfavourable for the UK.
Why did I post that link? Because I found it interesting, I apologise that it was the Daily Mail but it was the content that I was discussing. The point I applauded was that their religious leaders had found a compromise in their rule book that benefited the elderly and disabled to fit better into modern Britain. And if a religion can make one compromise then the rules that go against discrimination laws can also be updated, because religion is not a good enough reason to break those laws, for example female catholic priests.

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MasterGland · 22/04/2024 23:19

titbumwillypoo · 22/04/2024 22:03

Betterbuckleupbarbara · Today 09:49
Rather than ban all religions, ban all fundamentalists and terrorists is what you mean OP. Also why have you posted a Daily Mail of all links about one specific religion?
Again I've not said ban any religion, just to lessen the influence they have on our state institutions. Ban all fundamentalists and terrorists? By whose definition is someone a fundamentalists or terrorist? Government? Plenty of bad uns have been allies until things became financially unfavourable for the UK.
Why did I post that link? Because I found it interesting, I apologise that it was the Daily Mail but it was the content that I was discussing. The point I applauded was that their religious leaders had found a compromise in their rule book that benefited the elderly and disabled to fit better into modern Britain. And if a religion can make one compromise then the rules that go against discrimination laws can also be updated, because religion is not a good enough reason to break those laws, for example female catholic priests.

Female Catholic priests make no sense in our theology, though. The church is a complex of the Marian and Petrine principles, which are quite difficult to explain here, but in essence the Church is a bride and the priest is a bridegroom.

Their isn't a "rule book" but a way of seeing the world and our place in it.

Betterbuckleupbarbara · 22/04/2024 23:20

@titbumwillypoo you state you want to erase all religion except behind closed doors, which means in essence ban any trace in society but let’s not split hairs.

MI5 have an entire department dedicated to identifying terrorists I believe, so I’d image it’s very much their remit.

I can’t disagree with any compromise in their rule book that benefited the elderly and disabled to fit better into modern Britain, although I can’t see, unless I’ve missed it how this is in direct contraction to the fundamental principles of this religion, so which specific discrimination laws do you want to trump religious beliefs.

Do you too, have specific examples of this, and which religions you feel have too much influence though:

Again I've not said ban any religion, just to lessen the influence they have on our state institutions

Betterbuckleupbarbara · 22/04/2024 23:28

Just noted you liked religion symbols to gang colours (not quite sure what those are) but colours can be likened to flags, are we to ban these too?

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