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To think that Landlords have a bad name.

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Arewe29 · 20/04/2024 17:39

NC for this.

Is it just me or are all landlords frowned upon a MN.

We own and rent out 3 properties all our properties are rented out to young families, just under market rate, we allow them to decorate their homes how they like, and if there is any issues or problems they just call us and we sort it out ASAP.

I know that there is some terrible landlords out there, that should be dealt with but there are thousands of other that are decent that follow all the laws and their tenants are very happy.

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PrincessofWells · 21/04/2024 17:56

This is a fascinating thread not least because there are very few people on here with a true understanding of the housing market, and even fewer with any idea how it can be fixed. Plus a huge number of judgmental people who think their ideas are reasonable but are utterly ludicrous and th.

In the meantime those of us who do understand that there are huge issues for both tenants and landlords and enforcement but realise there is currently no alternatives will quietly continue to do what we do as well as we can.

caringcarer · 21/04/2024 17:56

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 16:18

I understand you to be saying that the rent covers a mortgage. Is that right? I wouldn’t allow that.

LLs should have to be freeholders without charge on the property. Then the assessment of rent and profit margin could be done.

LLs should be specialist, regulated housing providers, not individuals whose job, income and family circumstances change.

If you didn't allow LL's to buy with a 75 percent mortgage then about 85 percent of LL's would cease to exist. What do you think should happen to all the tenants that get evicted? Temporary accommodation?

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 17:58

caringcarer · 21/04/2024 17:56

If you didn't allow LL's to buy with a 75 percent mortgage then about 85 percent of LL's would cease to exist. What do you think should happen to all the tenants that get evicted? Temporary accommodation?

I’d plan to change the housing market to allow affordable rents, an end to hobbyist profiteering and a wider right to buy at discount.

I commented on phased change previously.

Tahinii · 21/04/2024 17:59

Arewe29 · 21/04/2024 14:12

Not just scum but also, Leeches Blood-sucking and Cancer.

Also how do we sleep at night.

I don’t agree with those statements about landlords but I am sick to the back teeth of LL on here proclaiming they’re all renting below market rent to poor/single parent/benefit claiming/families/pet owners.

If so many people did let their properties below market rent, it would affect the entire market. Just own it!

Arewe29 · 21/04/2024 18:04

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 17:53

Even if that’s true, we all know that’s renters being used as cash cows to allow capital gain on sale. Another reason why tenancies with BTL LLs are so precarious.

That goes for most house sales, are you against that, so in theory you are against anyone making a capital gain on anything.

Councils sell property all the time are you against that as well.

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WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 18:05

PrincessofWells · 21/04/2024 17:56

This is a fascinating thread not least because there are very few people on here with a true understanding of the housing market, and even fewer with any idea how it can be fixed. Plus a huge number of judgmental people who think their ideas are reasonable but are utterly ludicrous and th.

In the meantime those of us who do understand that there are huge issues for both tenants and landlords and enforcement but realise there is currently no alternatives will quietly continue to do what we do as well as we can.

I love how LLs always understand but others don’t. And how any imposition on a LL is unworkable, ‘ludicrous’ even.

There are challenges in reform and those of us who advocate change can only outline what we believe to be needed. But it’s complex and needs a lot of work. This is a chat forum. Nobody is going to set out a 1,000 page policy document on reforming the housing market.

Crack on with being a good LL. But major change is inevitable.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 21/04/2024 18:06

TinyYellow · 20/04/2024 17:59

YANBU. Landlords get a lot of hate on MN, most of it isn’t deserved.

Sadly, every thread I've glanced at/seen on this site is about "nasty LL's." This thread is a first

you get good and bad, R's and LL's but as per OP, on MN, its 99.99% of the time seen as a the LL's fault

I've seen T's in action especially in brand new homes - went to one via work years ago - it was a lovely semi in a gated area of London - even years ago this coucil had a ruling that all new builds had to have a erceantage of affordable houing, ordianry housing people could buy and rentals. This was a HA rental - it had doors that had been kicked in, walls with holes and garden full of dog mess inc some inside. The family had a brand new Nissan suv, they cited they were unfit to work but the man was ready to fight anyone and working on the side as it later turned out. His partner had a ASB notice against her for harassing the neighbours and making threads to beat them up. Yes, most of the social housing rental i went to were not like this but it shows you have bad T's as well as some bad LL's but MN's threads are 99.9% re so-called bad LL's

Arewe29 · 21/04/2024 18:07

Tahinii · 21/04/2024 17:59

I don’t agree with those statements about landlords but I am sick to the back teeth of LL on here proclaiming they’re all renting below market rent to poor/single parent/benefit claiming/families/pet owners.

If so many people did let their properties below market rent, it would affect the entire market. Just own it!

I have been totally truthful, but it goes against the rhetoric on here for you and others to believe any different.

Not all LLs are like what most believe. This thread just goes to show that.

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caringcarer · 21/04/2024 18:09

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 17:47

The government can legislate for property ownership, transfer and taxation. That’s not theft. It’s governing.

(A1P1 of the Convention would be most unlikely to matter: intervention in real property ownership would be in the public interest and would in any event be a change in the right to disposition, not confiscation.)

It would be governing like in a communist country. If you want to live in a country like Russia you can do so. The UK is a capitalist country, whether you like it or not. Even Corbyn didn't go as far as to suggest theft of property.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 18:10

Arewe29 · 21/04/2024 18:04

That goes for most house sales, are you against that, so in theory you are against anyone making a capital gain on anything.

Councils sell property all the time are you against that as well.

I’ve been as clear as I can about this. Housing is not like other markets.

I’m a free marketeer, but not in a market that is so subject to constraints, doesn’t respond as others do and is so critical to human welfare.

Selling your only house is just your concern. Acquiring multiple properties for gain is a different matter.

LAs deal in public funds, not personal profit.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 18:12

caringcarer · 21/04/2024 18:09

It would be governing like in a communist country. If you want to live in a country like Russia you can do so. The UK is a capitalist country, whether you like it or not. Even Corbyn didn't go as far as to suggest theft of property.

You can’t build what you like on land you own, and plenty of land is prohibited from development altogether. Is that communist control?

Arewe29 · 21/04/2024 18:13

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 17:58

I’d plan to change the housing market to allow affordable rents, an end to hobbyist profiteering and a wider right to buy at discount.

I commented on phased change previously.

You have said that RTB was one of the worst things to happen to the housing market.

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caringcarer · 21/04/2024 18:14

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 17:58

I’d plan to change the housing market to allow affordable rents, an end to hobbyist profiteering and a wider right to buy at discount.

I commented on phased change previously.

You can't give someone a right to buy with discount if the seller doesn't want to sell to the tenant. The house belongs to the LL not the government or council.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 18:15

Arewe29 · 21/04/2024 18:13

You have said that RTB was one of the worst things to happen to the housing market.

No, I said quite the opposite! Have a look.

caringcarer · 21/04/2024 18:16

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 18:12

You can’t build what you like on land you own, and plenty of land is prohibited from development altogether. Is that communist control?

Those rules apply to everyone not just LL's.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 18:16

caringcarer · 21/04/2024 18:14

You can't give someone a right to buy with discount if the seller doesn't want to sell to the tenant. The house belongs to the LL not the government or council.

The LL would be obliged to do so. By law. In the public interest.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 18:18

caringcarer · 21/04/2024 18:16

Those rules apply to everyone not just LL's.

Er, yes. They’re restrictions in the public interest. But are they ‘communist’?

vivainsomnia · 21/04/2024 18:19

With respect, that’s sophistry
With respect, you clearly have no idea what you are writing about!

Arewe29 · 21/04/2024 18:20

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 18:16

The LL would be obliged to do so. By law. In the public interest.

That is a communist policy.

You state I am a free marketer-But, This means that you are not a free marketer and your posts show otherwise. Russia and North Korea are lovely at this time of year.

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WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 18:21

vivainsomnia · 21/04/2024 18:19

With respect, that’s sophistry
With respect, you clearly have no idea what you are writing about!

Not convincing. Sorry.

Densol · 21/04/2024 18:23

Lol ! MN is the stinking pit of bad tenants who hate and mistreat landlords properties! 😂

Im a landlord. Ive got a few properties. Ive made lots of money from my good well kept properties with good decent tenants 👍🏼

Do I care what those MN renters think ? .... big no - as they are not my likely tenants

Tahinii · 21/04/2024 18:28

Densol · 21/04/2024 18:23

Lol ! MN is the stinking pit of bad tenants who hate and mistreat landlords properties! 😂

Im a landlord. Ive got a few properties. Ive made lots of money from my good well kept properties with good decent tenants 👍🏼

Do I care what those MN renters think ? .... big no - as they are not my likely tenants

Interesting language, says a lot about how you consider others.

I am neither landlord nor tenant, so able to be much more biased than you. I have no skin in this game.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 18:28

Arewe29 · 21/04/2024 18:20

That is a communist policy.

You state I am a free marketer-But, This means that you are not a free marketer and your posts show otherwise. Russia and North Korea are lovely at this time of year.

I’m generally a free marketeer, not an absolutist.

If somebody wanted to build a breaker’s yard or a tanning factory or a sewage treatment plant next to one of your rental properties I’d imagine you’d miraculously become interested in public and community interest restrictions too.

Densol · 21/04/2024 18:33

Tahinii · 21/04/2024 18:28

Interesting language, says a lot about how you consider others.

I am neither landlord nor tenant, so able to be much more biased than you. I have no skin in this game.

You need to be in the game to understand ! Not just be an MN spectator 😂

Arewe29 · 21/04/2024 18:33

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 18:28

I’m generally a free marketeer, not an absolutist.

If somebody wanted to build a breaker’s yard or a tanning factory or a sewage treatment plant next to one of your rental properties I’d imagine you’d miraculously become interested in public and community interest restrictions too.

We are not talking about redevelopment of land, we are talking about your idea of social policy around LLs, and forcing LLs to sell at a vastly reduced sum, to the state.

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