to think cutting benefits will increase crime

[everydaywonderful]

because people need money, you know, for food and rent and stuff. I'd be prepared to break the law before seeing my children without food, or homeless, wouldn't you?

Is it possible to get a TV that isn’t flat screen?

how are you accessing this forum out of curiosity? what are you using? so for example i am sat at home on my mac book using my full fiber internet connection?

you are either on a PC, LAPTOP or SMART PHONE. you won't be in a public place because you'd have to pay for that and you can't afford it.

i smell a rat

i smell a rat! this is a wind up see my reply

You'd have to go to a vintage shop, and it would cost more than a flat screen. The 'flat screen tv' trope is lazy benefit bashing rhetoric.

Job agencies will find more or less anyone with very few qualifications or skills a job. I know someone who works in an agency matching people to jobs, and he tells me they can find a job for most people. Even people who can't read can stack shelves.

Now you're being malevolent. Having internet access, whether via smartphone or otherwise, is not a luxury. Nearly everything is online with very little in the way of alternatives. Instead of imagining this poster on the latest gold plated iPhone with inset diamonds of the purest water, you'd be more in the ball park imagining her with a refurbed smartphone, hopefully using something like GiffGaff for a generous and cheap data allowance.

Honestly, I'm disappointed in you.

Where did I say I was on benefits or that I don't have a job?

I don't need to be exactly in someone else's situation to understand their situation somewhat.

I have job hunted in the past, I have never been unemployed, but I have learnt that the govt website it utterly useless, displays thousands after thousands of non-jobs, and gives totally the wrong impression of what is available, to casual onlookers.

There is not one job available to me in that website of supposedly hundreds of thousands of jobs. Thankfully I have professional qualifications, and can look elsewhere. I have, however, when job hunting in the past, decided I would like to leave my profession, and have looked to see what alternatives there are for me. This is particularly after paying off my mortgage, having no housing costs, and not needing a specific level of income.

My conclusion was, outside of my profession, there was nothing. Nothing at all. Unless I wanted to go commission only, zero hours, or set up my own business. None of which were viable options. Or could drive, which I can't - for medical reasons.

I live in the real world, not some ivory tower of privilege. I know many people are going to be left desperate if this policy is brought in. Who benefits from people in our community being made desperate? No one. Crime will rise as people turn to other sources of food and rent.

You are massively jumping to conclusions. About me, and about the situation of people living in the communities around you

I don't believe she implied that. She just suggested not driving is common among those on PIP, which is true.

nah... sorry but the rich should not pay more because they are rich is wrong (and no i am not rich).
They should pay their fair share like everyone else does.

In reality the middle earners to upper middle classes end up being hit over and over again whilst the people with millions and billions in their banks use their wealth to find nice little loopholes to minimise their tax bills and avoid paying their fair share.

I don't think children should be going without mental health support and appropriate education, or families should be going without the services they need, or people with long term illnesses should be struggling to get healthcare whilst the tip 1-5% do all they can to avoid paying tax.

i wont worry about your disappointment... i'll go with my gut instinct on this one!

if they hadn't mentioned that they didnt have a Flat Screen TV i would still have been invested.

Yes internet IS a luxury if it means the difference between my child having food and shoes on their feet!

If my child needed food.. i would get rid of every single item valueable or sellable in my house to get that food.

i would beg and borrow... i most certainly would not turn to crime...

sorry i hope the disappointment does not spoil your day...

That is just ignorant - sorry, but it is. I know many young people who can't read, have learning difficulties, or whatever. . Jobs for people who can't read are so rare that competition for them is fiercer than competition to get into Oxbridge.

fair share i agree with, same as businesses.... but not more.

There's a difference between people who can't work for health reasons and people who simply don't want to work.

How do you think people in other developed countries that don't offer such benefits survive? They do work because they have to.

So there are not enough job vacancies but at the same time there are several industries that can't fill their vacancies. There are not enough teachers, doctors, nurses, etc.

How is possible that people from other countries, that don't speak the language, don't have the connections and don't know the British idiosyncrasie are able to find job and native people can't? 🤔

I am on a lap top, what is your point exactly? I am baffled by you

Tory voters where I live are all middle aged gammons and gammonesses. All frothing as soon as benefits get mentioned.

Get a job or go to jail
Who's going to jail ??? The jails are full as they are?

This is just election year spin. The Tories know it wouldn’t go through this year.

Unless Labour wish to do the same, or the Tories get re-elected, it won’t run.

Total ignorance, you do realise that most jobs won't be 40 hours a week!
Also a lot of jobs want you to be flexible with your working hours, so trying to fit a second or even third job around that becomes impossible.

@everydaywonderful, just because you found a job agency that advertised a job that didn't exist you make a sweeping generalisation that all job agencies must do this? 2 of my sons have signed up to different job agencies and both have found jobs that did exist. By your logic we should x 2 all agency vacancies then! If you go by one or two anecdotes. My younger son found a job through a job agency. After 6 months he was taken on by the company directly and got a £4.5k pay rise. My elder son is a Class 1 lorry driver and his job agency found him 3 jobs at different tones in his life including when he moved cities. These jobs all existed. I think you have just been very unlucky with your agency that has fictitious jobs. You do realise these job agencies only get paid by real companies for providing real staff. An agency that only had fictitious jobs would soon be out of business. 😂

Some people will never be able to work. Not everyone who depends on benefits is a refusenik. Believe it or not, for some there is just no way.

most agencies advertise jobs that dont exist to get CVs, which they then sell on, to people with vacancies which are less appealing, poor pay, commission only, etc. And the fact that half of your sample has a driving job sort of proves my point

AS60 - well said. There has been a huge rise in people who should be economically active claiming benefits. It is unsustainable. The non-doms and corporations are highly mobile and will move offshore or organise their tax affairs to minimise their tax bill. There aren’t enough wealthy people to foot the bill so either tax go up for everyone or the numbers receiving welfare is cut.

well its been a blast and i was enjoying the debate until it was spoiled. so i shall take my attention elsewhere.

@everydaywonderful i hope you have a lovely day and continue to enjoy yourself

That’s them. The pearl clutching, Boris-loving, blue rinse brigade. I’m all right Jack and pull up the ladder. Happy to let the Tories keep shafting the people of this country. Happy to disbelieve that they’re ripping the piss and lining their own pockets. The Tories are their “team”. They’ll always vote for them despite their greed and self-serving behaviour