to think cutting benefits will increase crime

[everydaywonderful]

because people need money, you know, for food and rent and stuff. I'd be prepared to break the law before seeing my children without food, or homeless, wouldn't you?

it doesnt surprise me that people wont work.. why should they? they get everything rent paid, council tax paid, prescriptions paid, and cash in their pocket...

my sister does not work, has no intention of working, always moaning that she does not given enough by the government. she thinks its free money, has no concept of where the money actually comes from.. she has more disposable income that i do! d

Hopefully they will make corporations and millionaires pay their fair share. Cause it isn't the poor people who are taking all the money.

Are you seriously suggesting that because you recieve PIP and drive, all disabled people can drive? The OP has told you her disability means she can't drive. Do you think all the visually impaired people, or those with epilepsy or severe cognitive impairments, (just off the top of my head) are making excuses? And that those with physical limitations on mobility, strength, dexterity etc caused by disability are making excuses if they are unable to do entry level agency work, which is frequently manual in some capacity?

You do realise that some people get PIP for epilepsy, which means that they are legally not permitted to drive? Don't you?

Typical benefits basher.

I'm not on benefits, btw. Work full time. I'm just capable of understanding that not everyone is fortunate enough to have good health and be able to work full time.

You cant really take a zero hours option and pay child care, because the child care payments will be due whether you get work that day or not

So we are sending all the people who don't work to jail now. Right, cause that won't cost the tax payer even more.

You can't refuse to work.

@sleepyscientist I think it’d be hard to budget on zero hours. Those jobs are mainly suitable for students/school leavers. Yes childcare is horrendously expensive. I imagine many people feel trapped to be honest

the OP implied that people on Pip do not drive.... just because you get pip it does not automatically imply you are unable to work is the point i am making.

i work with at least 3 people who receive Pip and drive and work... so get off your high horse.. I am disabled, I drive, I get PiP.

so no im not suggesting anything other than NOT ALL ON PIP ARE UNBLE TO GET A JOB

Childcare? I could not have worked 12 hour shifts when my DS was younger because I was a lone parent and there's no childcare for those type of shifts.

No you won't be coming to jail

We've got no room

another one on their high horse. I GET PIP, i am disabled, I drive and i work! as ive just said and will probably say several times over.... the OP implied that having PiP means you cannot drive.

I've just brought it to the attention of the thread that some people can have PiP, can be disabled, can drive and do work.

Cutting benefits for MH will increase death 💀 via suicide

Babyroobs agree....its the choice between the devil you know and the devil you don't. Whoever gets in will have to clean up the mess left by the previous government......not a job I would like

Yes, it will.

Nothing is ever black and white. There is always someone that knows someone that can work but doesn't work and has formed their opinion on that or something they have read on the internet. The media love to blame people on benefits for everything, stirs up hatred, creates comments and clicks. The Tories will only ever punch down - disabled people, sick and vulnerable people, anyone in receipt of benefits - easy targets.

My partner spent some time dealing with some job centre work coaches recently, he was happy to do everything they asked of him which mainly consisted of sending him to useless 'job clubs' being ran by a private company (racking the money in with their fat government contracts) with a promised interview at the end. The interview always ended up being for a zero hours contract at a temp agency that nobody ever got more than a weeks work out of before the company said "thanks, don't come in tomorrow don't need you anymore."

Reports might tell you that there are 900,000 jobs available right now, but there isn't. Certainly not 900k jobs where people will have the certainty and safety of an actual contract. Zero hours contracts need scrapping before any major benefits overhaul is even thought about.

i agree that cutting benefits to those who refuse to work is a good thing... those who refuse to work, not those who cannot work for genuine real reasons should get all the support they need, but those who simply won't work because they are too lazy to put a bit of effort in... there should be penalties

i was a lone parent with 2 young children... i worked shifts! there are day shifts as well as night shifts.

i did whatever it took to work and provide for my kids.. i did not resort to crime!

where hubby works there are night shifts, day shifts theres even what they call a 'mums shift' which is 9 til 3...

Most normal people who are on the breadline aren't criminals. If I was struggling and couldnt afford essentials, I would go to a food bank, speak to family / community, my children's school. I would not think to steal! Children will never starve in this country, because of lack of food/money, they could because of irresponsible parents however. if people were putting kids first they would have the basics and ask community for help (when it comes to families everyone will always help).
How would it benefit the children by their parents getting arrested for stealing?
So no I don't think it will increase crime rate from that alone.
Thief's will always be thief's unfortunately.

My brother has epilepsy, has worked since 16 years of age and now almost 60. Never been without work. He did have to change careers at one point due to the risk but was quick to retrain. Doesn't get PIP, gets a free railcard/ travel pass, gets two buses or bus and train daily and wfh some of the time. He does get tired easily from the medication he takes and the job he does is stressful ( probation service ). Hopefully he will be able to retire soon.

We spent years working around each others when our kids were young, never claimed hundreds a month in childcare costs. Twenty odd years ago a lot of parents did the same. Obviously lone parents can't do shift work but a lot of couples used to. Almost everyone i knew when my kids were young was working in care home or Nursing or doing evening shifts in the chip shop or pub to get by.

I have seen two episodes of shop lifting recently. Both were definitely druggies doing it to sell on. I bet that is the most common scenario.

And that's wonderful for him, but not everyone with epilepsy is capable of that. Not everyone lives where there is adequate public transport either.

You see, that's the problem with these threads - there's always someone who says 'Well, I have this and that condition, and I can work full time and I run a marathon every weekend;. Great. Wonderful for you. But not everyone is the same. A little understanding of that would go a long way.

But how can you really distinguish between the two?

Say there are two people saying they each have chronic pain.

One completely genuine and one not. Even a doctor cannot say for sure.

Should the person who is genuine be punished just so the one who isn't doesn't get benefits?

@everydaywonderful

I'm not defending the government but there are a lot of jobs available, not necessarily in sectors you want to work in, and not full time but in my small town there's dozens, mostly hospitality and also more than a dozen care vacancies. These aren't duplicates as you insinuated as these are physically posted on windows, banners, local paper etc. Venues have cut hours open because they can't get sufficient staff.

I don't know anyone long term unemployed here though, people not working at all are due to other factors not lack of jobs eg disability not compatible with working.

I'm all for helping those capable of working into employment where appropriate

I didn't say everyone could. Obviously some people have epilepsy that is better controlled than others.