"Off rolling" isn't this illegal?

[Stressedgiraffe]

My child has been having bullying issues at school and they cannot keep them safe. When we spoke to the school today they mentioned "off rolling" them. I thought it was an odd phrase so have Googled. It seems to be a way of getting rid of problem children without expelling them.
What do we do now? Should we just remove them from school? Will the council help?

Realistically this is the situation the school and LEA has to deal with because the parents, that is ADULTS give in to children who demand to be different. Being kind and indulging these fantasies gets nowhere.

I'll speak to their council education support worker again. They are very good.

Either that, or the bullies are learning behaviours from transphobic parents.

To be fair a 'a emo ftm trans kid' would never have had a good experiance at school without indipendant lessons/staying in at breaks ?????

Yes it shouldn't be the case with rules/uniforms/modern parenting/teaching

But you also need either 'save it for the weekend' or take extra measures to be safe aswell as contacting school

Before your meeting with the school, get copies of their bullying and discipline policies, and at the meeting ask them exactly how they have implemented them to keep your child safe.

It very much sounds as if they should have an EHCP. Use the IPSEA guide as a starting point - https://www.ipsea.org.uk/asking-for-an-ehc-needs-assessment

Talk about blame the victim. If a year 7 hit me first I’d hit them back too despite their age. Play with matches and you’re going to get your fingers burned.

@FrogTheWarrior , Have we not had the Cass report confirm what we knew all along, that 'trans' is merely a fashion or fad.
No one is born in the wrong body. It is a fad or 24/7Cosplay.
A girl having difficulty accepting the changes of puberty needs support not confirmation of whatever nonsense she has picked up from social Media that these changes should not happen.

I think there is a lot to be said for trying to keep your head down and fit in a bit during school hours for the sake of getting an education. He has 13 weeks holiday a year plus every weekend to play dress up and then post GCSE, sixth form colleges etc are a lot more flexible and kids are less horrible the older they get.

Doing this means the child is no longer the schools 'problem' and pushes responsibility onto the LA (and you) to find suitable schooling. Don't do it.

Assuming you are an adult you'd get a prison sentence for hitting an 11yo girl in the face, even if she did start it.

Does it mean not teaching the child whilst still taking the money for their education?

OP, it sounds like a really tough situation for you and your dc. But as you homeschooled until this year, perhaps that is the answer again. An ECHP might help your dc access the SEMH support that would help if mainstream isn’t going to work.

I don’t believe that has school has mentioned this in a positive way.

If your child is being bullied obv the school to deal with it.

This sounds like nonsense to me

@Stressedgiraffe Now you about the Cass Report will you be changing the way you parent?

Yes it's illegal. It happens all the time. Happened to my child and I had proof. Took that proof to the LA and ofsted. LA did nothing. He's been out of school two years now as they can't find a suitable school. Most recent ofsted was Good. No one gives a shit because my child has complex SEND.

What I will say is absolutely do not take your child out of school. Let the school do it. If you pull your child the LA has no responsibility to provide an education. I resisted the pressure to do this and made the school offroll. While no one cares the law was broken I do have a token amount of tutor hours paid for by the LA because their duty remains.

You'd punch a 10 year old in the face?

Apply tomorrow for an EHCP. Look at the IPSEA website - they have standard letters and guidance.

I genuinely don't think that they are in the wrong body but they believe this at the moment so I am being supportive. They do not want surgery or hormones. I believe this is a fad.
I'd rather believe defend and support them than alienate a young confused person who sees things in black and white ' I don't feel girly /want to be a girl atm so I must be a boy'

The girl is 11, probably 12. I imagine the poster meant if they were 14 or 15.

I totally agree with this.

Therefore I'm baffled as to why you've bent over backwards throughout the thread to refer to your child as 'them' and 'they'?

What do you address your DC as in real life?

Email the LA as priority and also ofsted, both deeply disapprove of off rolling and will want to know so they can crack down on it.

it won’t be just your child, a school that attempts to off role one child likely has attempted to off role many children.

The school has a duty of care and a duty to provide your child with an education. They don’t get to off role your child to make their lives easier. They clearly need LA input.

You're wrong. Off rolling is usually unlawful, and is unacceptable, according to Ofsted.

You are mistaking deregistering for off-rolling, they are two very different things. A child is deregistered by a parent/guardian to home educate for example, if a school off-rolls a pupil, forcing the parents to home educate, that is unlawful.

Sounds like you need to get the police involved ASAP.

As the person involved is a minor (a child) and also trans, surely that'll be classed as a hate crime.

Stop beating about the bush, and tell the school they need to do their jobs, stop the bullying and deal with the problem!

Go to the governors and Ofsted!

Once you've reported the matter to the police, maybe they can go into the school and sort matters out there.

Op didn't ask for people's opinions on what she should refer to her child as or whether she should support her child in feeling they are trans so god knows why people are focusing on that.

Some of the replies seem to suggest that this child deserves to be bullied because they're trans, or that they should just stop being trans (or "playing dress up") because if they did, they wouldn't be bullied. There's a word for that. I'm gender critical but it's not hard to see why these children feel entitled to bully a child who is different, when you look at how grown women talk about it on here.

Should any other children who are bullied also change themselves in order to fit in and not be bullied? Or just the trans ones?

What if the child goes back to presenting as female and the bullies pick on something she can't change, like her disabilities. What then?