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Have you damaged the life of a child?

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LargeSquareRock · 10/04/2024 03:24

The Cass Review into child’s gender services is out. For those of us who have been following this for years, it really is a No Shit Sherlock moment. All of our beliefs and fears for what is happening to vulnerable children (mainly autistic, traumatised or same-sex attracted girls) is set out in black and white.

https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/

So,

Every doctor, psychologist and therapist who ignored evidence and went along with this medical scandal and who set a child on the path of no return to future infertility, osteoporosis, increased heart disease and dementia risk, lower IQ and foreshortened life span;

Every school counsellor who felt they were Rosa Parks, whispering secrets to vulnerable kids and damaging the parent-child relationship;

Every teacher who adopted gender ideology and actively poured poison into their student’s ears;

Every teacher who shut down a student who wasn’t toeing the party line;

Every teacher who made girls feel ashamed for not being happy about sharing toilets with boys;

Every social worker who damaged the parent-child relationship and threatened parents with consequences for not affirming their child’s trans identity;

Every child’s friend’s “cool” parent who claimed their home was a sanctuary from the child’s bigoted parents;

Every autism organisation staff member or volunteer who swallowed the nonsense whole and damaged a generation of autistic girls;

Every person who cut off friends when they raised concerns about trans ideology and kids;

Every Facebook group moderator who blocked members raising the mildest questioning of gender ideology, then out up the sickening virtue signalling post about “no hate allowed”;

Every single person who chanted “protect trans kids” without knowing a single thing about the issues;

Every sports coach who allowed boys into the girl’s teams and berated objecting parents and girls as bigots;

Every separated parent going along with the child’s trans nonsense to get back at the other parent.;

Everyone who has ever donated to Mermaids;

Every single person who blindly believed that a parent’s doubts about transitioning their child were based on transphobia and bigotry, not love and concern;

Everyone who has ever told a child that society hates them because of their trans identity;

Every parent who didn’t do their due diligence and happily went along with their child and who enjoyed the attention of having a trans child;

Every politician (pretty much all of them) who decided to ride this one out, even though they could see the harm occurring in real time

This disaster, ruining the lives of a generation of children, is on you.

Final Report – Cass Review

https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/

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Changeusernameseeusernamehistory · 10/04/2024 16:37

Ever wonder why so many young trans identified women use walking sticks?

I’m sorry, wat?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/04/2024 16:46

Yes, the civil rights activist to whom a trans judge compared themselves when resigning as a judge in order to fund raise and campaign for trans rights.

Oh wow yes, had forgotten that.

porridgecake · 10/04/2024 16:53

Changeusernameseeusernamehistory · 10/04/2024 16:37

Ever wonder why so many young trans identified women use walking sticks?

I’m sorry, wat?

Are you not aware of the side effects of the drugs given to young women who identify as the opposite sex? Apart from the physical and intellectual effects of stopping puberty, the sterilisation and loss of sexual function, they also have to contend with being pushed into premature menopause and osteoporosis. Osteoporosis is a very painful and debilitating condition that causes spinal fractures and difficulty walking.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/04/2024 16:54

What @RufustheFactualReindeer said.

BusyMummy001 · 10/04/2024 16:55

Changeusernameseeusernamehistory · 10/04/2024 16:37

Ever wonder why so many young trans identified women use walking sticks?

I’m sorry, wat?

The x-sex hormones trigger an early menopause, in most women this doesn’t happen until around 50, is a gradual natural process, and steps can be taken to prevent the side effects, which include osteoporosis and various female cancers. In women of that certain age this is now treated - eg HRT to maintain oestrogen levels etc and calcium supplements (which are of no use in a forced menopause as absorption is impacted by the masculinising hormones).

So, if you innocently assumed that all the wheelchair bound and crutch-holding pro-trans supporters at these demos were a living example of the intersectionality of disability and trans rights, you were wrong.

They are the living proof that taking wrong sex hormones leads to more than hair loss and stubble (that I as a PCOS/hypothyroid person battle with medical help and a sympathetic endocrinologist) - it leads to brittle bones, spinal collapse, tooth loss and loads more.

If you follow Scott Nugent (who is not the easiest listen, admittedly, as the distress expressed is palpable) you would also discover that the chances of being alive to see the grand kids are very low, and Scott only began treatment after turning 40, so is about 15 years in.

edited for typos…

Emotionalsupportviper · 10/04/2024 16:57

noblegiraffe · 10/04/2024 15:54

It's bollocks. A double blinded randomised controlled clinical trial is the standard in the pharmaceutical industry and you'd have to justify deviating from it rather than adhering to it. Other complaints about the 'ethics of having a control group' are also being made by people with no clue that these types of trials have been running for decades and the ethics are well-discussed.

I've also searched the Cass report and can't find anywhere that insists on double blind studies.

I do find criticism of the 2011 UK study being uncontrolled, therefore pretty useless as trial designs go.

This ⬆

The studies with the most stringent (and for that read "double blind") controls are the ones that produce the most reliable information. They leave the least room for the influence of accident, doubt, psychological, or sociological influence.

They are regarded as the "gold standard" of research studies.

Bennettsister · 10/04/2024 17:27

BeBraveLittlePenguin · 10/04/2024 15:20

Yes, the civil rights activist to whom a trans judge compared themselves when resigning as a judge in order to fund raise and campaign for trans rights.

Right so school counsellors are pretending to be Rosa parks by pushing trans ideology… I’m as GC as they come but having worked in schools and education for 20+ years this is ridiculous.

I think it’s really important we don’t start another witch hunt here…

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/04/2024 17:31

Apart from the judge mentioned, they're not literally claiming they are the same as Rosa Parks specifically Confused they're claiming what they are doing by pushing gender identity ideology on children is progressive and moral.

Lentilweaver · 10/04/2024 17:53

Emotionalsupportviper · 10/04/2024 16:57

This ⬆

The studies with the most stringent (and for that read "double blind") controls are the ones that produce the most reliable information. They leave the least room for the influence of accident, doubt, psychological, or sociological influence.

They are regarded as the "gold standard" of research studies.

Yes, that's what I thought. I haven't yet seen any sensible criticism of the Cass report.

Iwasafool · 10/04/2024 18:35

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/04/2024 12:41

So which professionals have been claiming to be Rosa Parks? In what way would claiming to be Rosa Parks have any connections with what the OP is discussing? She wants people to leave Rosa Parks out of it? She's the only one I've heard bringing Rosa Parks into it.

It's an analogy Confused people make it for all sorts of reasons. Have you really never heard it before from anyone else?

I think it is disrespectful to use her name for something she had no connection with. Her fight was with racism and it is offensive to just use it for something totally unconnected.

No I've never heard anyone try to appropriate her name to a cause other than the fight against racism.

Iwasafool · 10/04/2024 18:38

NonPlayerCharacter · 10/04/2024 12:50

If you haven't seen people comparing themselves to Rosa Parks while they campaign to give blockers to children (and refuse to leave women's spaces when they aren't women) then I don't think you've been paying enough attention to the debate to comment on it. It's been done a lot.

My point, that you seem to have missed, is that she should be left out of the argument. No one should be using her like that, it is offensive.

Iwasafool · 10/04/2024 18:43

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/04/2024 17:31

Apart from the judge mentioned, they're not literally claiming they are the same as Rosa Parks specifically Confused they're claiming what they are doing by pushing gender identity ideology on children is progressive and moral.

But the OP is claiming that school counsellors feel like they are Rosa Parks? How does she know that, are school counsellors publicising that they feel like Rosa Parks, if they aren't the OP should do what I said and leave Rosa Parks out of it.

If they are claiming what they are doing is progressive and moral then say that.

NonPlayerCharacter · 10/04/2024 18:44

Iwasafool · 10/04/2024 18:38

My point, that you seem to have missed, is that she should be left out of the argument. No one should be using her like that, it is offensive.

Our point, that you have definitely missed, is the same. That's literally the point that was made by the original poster you first started arguing with. Can you at least try to attempt to patronise the right people?

RufustheFactualReindeer · 10/04/2024 18:58

Every school counsellor who felt they were Rosa Parks, whispering secrets to vulnerable kids and damaging the parent-child relationship;

shes not saying that every school counsellor thinks they are Rosa Parkes

she is talking about specific posters…its a turn of phrase

Im sure there are shedloads of counsellors who don’t think that

(that word does not look right)

EveSix · 10/04/2024 19:06

Changeusernameseeusernamehistory · 10/04/2024 16:37

Ever wonder why so many young trans identified women use walking sticks?

I’m sorry, wat?

My niece, 25, now has to rely on a wheelchair some of the time as a result of cross-sex hormone treatment. That's just one of the catalogue of health issues she has acquired and losses she has incurred as a result of her transition. To say I'm beyond devastated for her is an understatement. We knew these things were possible outcomes but in my niece's case, it appears virtually every side-effect of hormone 'therapy' and complication of surgery have occurred.

Lovelyview · 10/04/2024 19:18

EveSix · 10/04/2024 19:06

My niece, 25, now has to rely on a wheelchair some of the time as a result of cross-sex hormone treatment. That's just one of the catalogue of health issues she has acquired and losses she has incurred as a result of her transition. To say I'm beyond devastated for her is an understatement. We knew these things were possible outcomes but in my niece's case, it appears virtually every side-effect of hormone 'therapy' and complication of surgery have occurred.

I'm so sorry to hear that. The more I hear, the angrier I get.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/04/2024 19:21

EveSix · 10/04/2024 19:06

My niece, 25, now has to rely on a wheelchair some of the time as a result of cross-sex hormone treatment. That's just one of the catalogue of health issues she has acquired and losses she has incurred as a result of her transition. To say I'm beyond devastated for her is an understatement. We knew these things were possible outcomes but in my niece's case, it appears virtually every side-effect of hormone 'therapy' and complication of surgery have occurred.

That's awful @EveSix. And of couse what this thread is about. Cass saying no to this unforgivable experimentation on children and young people.
There are hundreds of thousands of children believing they can change sex when their growing body feels uncomfortable and sadly many many thousands of them who are now pursuing that false belief and now expecting the drugs ad surgery

DungareesAndTrombones · 10/04/2024 19:30

The person who works at my local LGBTQIA group who tells young women that she will sign their deed poll name change certificates without their parents knowing should be on that list.

The Cass Report is amazing, I've read nearly every page. I wish I had read it when my child decided they wanted to be trans and I would maybe have taken a different approach.

Helleofabore · 10/04/2024 19:31

EveSix · 10/04/2024 19:06

My niece, 25, now has to rely on a wheelchair some of the time as a result of cross-sex hormone treatment. That's just one of the catalogue of health issues she has acquired and losses she has incurred as a result of her transition. To say I'm beyond devastated for her is an understatement. We knew these things were possible outcomes but in my niece's case, it appears virtually every side-effect of hormone 'therapy' and complication of surgery have occurred.

Can I ask why? Has any doctor traced why?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/04/2024 20:34

But the OP is claiming that school counsellors feel like they are Rosa Parks? How does she know that, are school counsellors publicising that they feel like Rosa Parks, if they aren't the OP should do what I said and leave Rosa Parks out of it.

If they are claiming what they are doing is progressive and moral then say that.

You are completely overthinking this. It's just a turn of phrase and OP is not the first person to use it.

Polishedshoesalways · 10/04/2024 20:48

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/04/2024 20:34

But the OP is claiming that school counsellors feel like they are Rosa Parks? How does she know that, are school counsellors publicising that they feel like Rosa Parks, if they aren't the OP should do what I said and leave Rosa Parks out of it.

If they are claiming what they are doing is progressive and moral then say that.

You are completely overthinking this. It's just a turn of phrase and OP is not the first person to use it.

A school counsellors job is simply to listen to the feelings of a child. Regardless of what they might feel - it’s not the job of the counsellor to judge what is said - or the feelings or identity of a child. Nor give advice or guidance.

Helleofabore · 10/04/2024 20:56

CurlsnSunshinetime4tea · 10/04/2024 19:49

Thanks, I know about the Osteoporosis issues but I am asking Eve if there is another issue as well. For instance, is there ligament or cartlidge damage. Or something else.

StormingNorman · 10/04/2024 21:08

LargeSquareRock · 10/04/2024 06:32

Exactly. I want everyone to know about this.

This thread is an education for me so your plan worked! 👏

FlameoftheWest · 10/04/2024 21:22

JacquesHarlow · 10/04/2024 06:12

Nah, you just wanted your own little thread on “the big forum” @LargeSquareRock - no need to insult the person to cover that fact.

Interesting response! If you fail to grasp the wider implications and consequences, that are easily identified by the Cass Report, this is not the responsibility of the original poster.
The question absolutely deserves to sit right at the heart of AIBU. Everyone is someone’s child !