Gender assigned at birth

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Just applied for dd’s 11+ and the online form asked what was my child’s “gender assigned at birth”. AIBU to find this insulting both to my intelligence and to my daughter? She was not assigned a gender at birth. She is biologically female whether or not she chooses to currently follow any particular gender stereotype. Nobody said at her birth “congratulations, your child will like pink and wear makeup”. They simply looked at her genitals and declared that she was (biologically) female, which she is and will always be.

I don't know I hope.most
I have a cousin in Australia though whose female to.male offspring .was prescribed male hormones from 18 and i find that alarming .

Don't be silly OP. The midwives had a meeting before your daughter was born, looked at the gender assignment quota for that month and decided the next one had to be pink-brained.

It's pure coincidence that all babies born to date have been carried by pink-brained womb owners, and equally coincidental that no pink-brained womb owners have provided the sperm. I'm sure the first baby to buck that trend will be along any day now...

A few years ago I completed an enrolment form for a local adult ed class. This included the question: 'sex assigned at birth'. I wrote a lengthy rant (given the space allocation) along the lines of 'Sex is not assigned at birth, it is biological fact ...etc'.
Enroling for a different class with the same institution this year I found that the question on the form avoided using the phrase '...assigned at birth'. I am just reporting this to show that change is possible, I doubt if my original comment led to the change but it may have contributed to it.

obviously none of us know what happened here but I wonder if the person is simply using the language which is current now (plus also they may have had it badly explained to them, people often don't grasp the nuance of medical or scientific explanations and then miscommunicate their understanding)
I would bet that, if they had ambiguous genitals at birth, chromosomal testing was carried out and parents were told, 'you have a daughter with a DSD, this is why her genitals look odd, we suggest the following treatment...'

The recommended wording - regardless of your views on gender, trans women etc, and being as inclusive as possible for all sexes and gender identities and beliefs - is to ask for “Sex at birth”

IF you really need to know sex or gender identity. Which often you don’t.

They need an option that isn’t male or female ideally, to cover the very very small percentage of people who are intersex.

Gender identity can be asked for separately

I imagine the form is well intentioned but asking “gender assigned at birth” is just making whole sex vs gender thing much more confused and probably upsetting everyone .

They need an option that isn’t male or female ideally, to cover the very very small percentage of people who are intersex.

People who have differences of sexual development (DSD - "intersex" is an outdated term) are still male or female.

I do the same when answering certain questions that only have an option to tick partner, I always go to other and then type Husband.

Absolutely @NeedToChangeName . I read old property title documents. I wonder why gender was pretty much always the preferred word. Maybe a certain squeamishness around the word sex?

Is it just me that doesn’t understand what ‘identifying as female’ even means?!

There are many characteristics that someone may say are ‘feminine’ that I don’t posses and many that I do. I’ve never considered myself anything other than female. I don’t feel like one, I AM one.

So we can’t even have menopause to ourselves? Doesn’t surprise me in the least it’s the public sector.

It's a basic misunderstanding of the English language. You can't give a baby its sex.
Just as well really, since I had a twin brother. That could have caused all sorts of headaches!

If nothing else, consider the cost to the NHS (that we all pay for). Every child that is transitioned will cost millions in drugs, surgery, management of complications, avoidable disease processes over the course of their (shortened) life time. Not to mention the pain and disability they will endure.
It is more than likely these children will die before their parents. Their quality of life will be poor. Being catapulted into sterility, loss of sexual function, osteoporosis, menopause, vaginal atrophy, incontinence, increased risk of heart attack and stroke is appalling. We are doing this to autistic and vulnerable girls.
Everyone should be bothered.

Gosh you could have been switched at birth!

Oh look, another one of these posts ...

I just don't see any usefulness or purpose of gender ideology.

gender a make believe fairy tale that helps no one.

biological sex determines our physiology and is therefore relevant in certain settings.

so fed up of this whole song and dance

Thanks for your insightful input

Yes, that could be the reason

Serious question ,why are they more likely to die before their parents?

How is it anything like the menopause!

I would cross the question out, write "sex - male - female", and tick next to "female"

Because of the increased risks of stroke, cancer, heart attack, infections and of course the risk of suicide has been shown to be greater after transition. Cross sex hormones are very risky in bodies that are not meant to produce them. I think we will see an increasing number of premature deaths in this group of young people in the coming years. Complications of surgery including infection and tissue necrosis can be very serious.

I wouldn’t care.

@fashionqueen1183 It’s not is it. If you’ve never menstruated then you can’t have a menopause. Honestly, the mind boggles that so many workplaces are entertaining this shit

A PP mentioned the UK cross-government staff network, the Sex Equality and Equity Network (SEEN) which was set up by staff in the Civil Service and public sector. Since then similar groups have now appeared in other areas of work.

Just in case anyone is looking for support from like-minded colleagues, there are now groups for staff in the City, the police, HR, parliament, STEM, journalism and sport and, no doubt there will be more appearing. https://seen-network.uk/other-seens/