Peter Andre on GB News

[Laughattheloons]

This has thrown me. I’ve just seen a TikTok about it. Obviously not a Peter fan but always just assumed he was a decent good guy. Clearly not. I can never ironic Mysterious Girl again

Regardless of his music, or his political views, I wish he was not on GB News (which should be called GB Views in my opinion). He is probably improves the average quality of presenting, and I want the station to fail because of low audiences.

No it isn't. Racist words have the power of systems of control and the weight of wider injustices behind them. Old white men (and I am one) aren't a race.

It's a bit worrying that in 2024 there are still people who can't understand what racism is.

Everyone's very mysteriously angry for a Sunday morning. This is what happens when you watch Peter Andre and Laura Kuensbergg instead of Alan Titchmarsh Love Your Weekend.

@Sillypede not everyone agrees with that definition of racism.
To many, it's simply the belief that one group of people is inherently better/worse than another group, based solely on skin colour or ethnicity.
So mocking someone on the base is of their skin tone is racism.

Absolute nonsense.

Does anyone trust the BBC these days? It's only ever state media for the government of the day in terms of its news agenda. As an organisation it's about as establishment biased as it gets and notoriously liberal.

In terms of alternative media, you have to question who funds it? GB News is funded by hedgefund billionaires, so hardly a friend of the working class. It's still there to push agendas. When Andrew Neil helped found it he said they were going to run with a lot of anti-woke stuff - and that's a popular agenda. But when it comes to the worldview of the people who are funding it, they're only speaking to the same top 0.1% as the likes of Rees Mogg (who has his own channel on there). It's still an elitist agenda, with the anti-woke stuff there to draw people in.

@Elber yes but very few people are free speech absolutists. Even Andrew Doyle I'm sure would accept limits such as libel laws and curbs on speech that incites violence.

But time and again the way this debate plays out is the free speech side make a case for free speech, and the other side rather than making a case for censorship directly, just look for examples where some right wing person hasn't been a free speech absolutist.
As I say it is just deflection.

Where to draw the line between freedom of expression and protection from harm due to speech is a weighty philosophical question, but I think it's one that the left are running away from currently, and where FOS used to be seen as a broad liberal value I worry that it has been given up to the right.

Thanks for letting me know, I'll definitely watch him from now on.

Welcome to 2024 and posters like the OP, who get their opinions from TikTok.

The only people who cry over the term gammon tend to be a certain type of person… oink

The word gammon gives me the ick. Was mildly amusing the first time I heard it but it's always used by a wet wipes. A certain kind of person, not so different from the other kind of person they don't like

Even allowing for your own personal definition, it isn't a pejorative aimed solely at skin tone. If you'd argued it was often used in a classist way, at the uneducated Brexity bloke for instance I might have some sympathy.

I don't think it does much to add to the political discourse, but it does seem to upset a certain group of people for some reason.

I mean, does it matter? I read a variety of news sources and then apply critical thinking skills. I'm not going to go along with the flavour of the month just because it's been forced into the mainstream and is consumerist approved.

I've read some things that I really have an issue with, but the point is to hear both sides. When I was younger and pre children I liked to outsource my news to the guardian and call people gammons. I have then since realised whilst I approve of some approaches like getting rid of section 28 (I lived through it with a best friend who was lesbian and forced into the closet-untold damage) I don't agree with all the parts recently tacked on like gender ideology.

I used gammon previously but I do not use it and consider it a lazy offensive slur nowadays. It manages to be ageist and legitimising taking the Mick out of people for their looks.

I also, by the by, find the can you read comments particularly offensive. My grandparents were proper working class, not just I'm middle class and need to pretend working class. My grandad can't really read, due to a mixture of social reasons and disability not picked up on at school. I don't see eye to eye on him with everything but I can't begrudge him getting his information from papers like the mail or sun, seeing as they cater for his reading level. I also can't begrudge him getting media from alternative television sources seeing as he has lived through enough scandals and knows not to trust it.

Intelligence is not a virtue. You just got lucky. (Or not, imo, if you get your views off til tok and twitter)

I won't watch Peter Andre because he's a misogynist, but thanks for the thread op. It's led me to Andrew Doyle and I will give that a shout.

Factually, hearing a specific channel and watching it is supporting it

I never said endorsing

Just like I’d judge you for buying Mein Kampf if Hitler was still alive and gaining money from its sales.

You can listen to other view points without supporting (indirectly) a channel or publication that’s overall goal is to do something you claim to be against.

It only upsets those that taste nice with a slice of pineapple and chips

well said, VeniVidi
unfortunately it's fashionable to hate the working class

Oh I wish i hadn't seen that 😥
Disgusting

They don't like the current working class because they might make them have to engage in debate or address current issues that aren't solved by #bekind.

They like the dead working class though. They all have a flat cap wearing grandad. But he can't argue back so...

@Sillypede well it is an insult aimed at working class men, so does have a classist element. Although you probably wouldn't hear it used in reference to a black working class man, since it is an insult which refers to skin tone. Therefore it's racist.

I think you misunderstood
"A gammon" would get triggered by the thought people need safe spaces (including women). A gammon would think noone needs safe spaces, they just need to toughen up. Snowflakes.

@User135644 thats what I’m asking, what news channel doesn’t have an agenda, I’d love to know where the OP gets their news.

No news channel represents everyone, even the ones we are forced to fund. I don’t think GB News claims to be for the working class? It’s a right wing news channel, and many people share right wing views even if they don’t deem themselves right wing.

Don’t even get me started on Alan fucking Titchmarsh

You have just changed the definition of racism to excuse your actions. In my borough your race is the minority. Majority is Arab and so are the local councillors who represent us. So it should therefore be alright to mock brown skin tone and compare them to animals, according to you?

😂
I'd say what's turning this country into an "unrecognisable mess" partly is the current trend for trying to apply American-isms to British politics. They are very different. We don't really have "liberalism" in the same way the US does.

I do have some sympathy for your views, and as a middle aged, white, working-class man, I thank you for your concern, but nobody ever chased me down the street shouting gammon at me, or painted gammon on my front door, I've not encountered gangs out gammon bashing or had bacon pushed through my letter box.