Peter Andre on GB News

[Laughattheloons]

This has thrown me. I’ve just seen a TikTok about it. Obviously not a Peter fan but always just assumed he was a decent good guy. Clearly not. I can never ironic Mysterious Girl again

I really hope you’re not trying to find any kind of equivalence between the N word and gammon. That’s offensive in itself. Get a grip.

I knew someone who would occasionally (or rather, quite often) change their profile picture to black or black-and-white TV screen static and wait for people to come and ask what happened.

That doesn’t make someone a gammon though.

You don’t seem to understand the words at play here - that’s the issue

It’s not though. The term is now used for anyone displaying certain behaviours.

Just like how when the K name was originally used an insult it was purely for white women, now it’s meant to describe a type of behaviour.

its almost like you don’t understand how language evolves.

When I describe your comment as crap I don’t mean I think it’s a literal piece of shit.

Exactly, this thread quickly took a terrible turn.

I mean now you have closet racists trying to establish gammon into a racial slur on par with words like the N word rooted in hatred, slavery and often accompanied with a history of violence & terror .

Good luck arguing with these people - I’m out. They’re either deliberately ignorant or hopelessly naive. I go with the former.

"gammon" is a stupid, unthinking insult. It says a lot about the person using it - none of it good.

"Fascist" should be used about actual fascists. Throwing it out about anyone whose opinions you don't agree with says a lot about the person using it- none of it good.

I doubt that Peter Andre is a fascist. I don't doubt that you are a self righteous prig.

I agree, many are also doing the same on the black out performances thread being equally ignorant

No I don't agree with using the word gammon. It's classist and ageist. I don't use libtard or Karen either. If there's an idea I disagree with I use words not labels. Labels require everyone understanding it to mean the same thing. If you can't or won't explain it you don't understand it well enough yourself.

Interesting how if anyone deviates from the narrative they don't understand though.

I’ve never thought that ‘gammon’ implied you were necessarily working class. I understand it as a description of a man with reactionary right wing views going red in the face with anger. This could as easily be Nigel in his mustard cords as Gary in his England shirt. I don’t believe this group of people is a ‘race’ but name calling of any description is absolutely not helpful for political discourse.

I haven't seen any racism. But calling someone racist/nazi/fascist/libtard/snowflake all has the same intent and that's shutting down debate because you feel unsure in your arguments.

It’s neither

Unless you think only old, working class people can turn red from getting so worked up about a black little mermaid whilst simultaneously calling others snowflakes?

I used to complain about the word gammon being used only because we can't use certain words to describe left wingers, but now I would rather they be able to use it as I can then see the type of dreadful person they are!

The term was used in this context as descriptive

I agree it’s shutting down a debate to call someone a gammon and walk away. But that’s not what’s happened here

Goodness me

What words can’t you use to describe those who vote for left leaning policies?

Not because it's online, but because aside from the fact it's not particularly useful as part of political discourse, nobody has been harmed by the use of the term gammon.

I didn't respond to your point about illiteracy, because I don't quite get the relevance. My father left school illiterate, he was dyslexic but just considered stupid/disruptive. He didn't learn to read to any level until I was born, using the course the BBC ran. I can't see what that has do with intelligence, critical thinking or even accessing information especially today when there is a multitude of different of formats.

You say it's okay to get your news from biased sources (and yes, it's all got bias) as long as you apply critical thinking. I've never said it isn't. But surely the first step in critically reading your news is to know where it's coming from, who owns it and in whose interests is it operating?

I've never said I wanted GB news censored, quite the opposite. Just don't pretend it is something which it isn't.

Yep, she appears regularly in my beloved Morning Star ('Peace & Socialism'). Proof.

There are people who actually are sufficiently stupid and intolerant to think that's an accurate description of JB. Some probably on this thread.

But he loves his kids 😂

😂

Ha. No it’s not.

We haven't had a 'left wing' government in my lifetime.

Britain is a conservative place and mostly votes conservative governments. They just aren't conservative in office, even if they have right wing policies.

You don't need to insult people to get your point across. It weakens your whole argument.

There was a lot wrong with that film. Plot changes, dialogue and costuming. If people don't mindlessly like it it doesn't make them racist, only certain elements and you need your words for explaining that.

I didn't like it because the 'memory spell' took Ariel's agency away, making it not feminist in my book. Also the pink dress was hideous and so disappointing compared to the original.
Does that make me racist? I also didn't rate beauty and the beast either

What words would you like to use that you feel you can't?

I don't think Gammons do get annoyed by the word itself do they.

It's more that the people calling them that get very upset by the idea of stereotyping people but then happily trot them out as insults themselves.

Because op and others judge reading or watching certain medias.
Some media sets itself up to cater for those who find literacy challenging. That doesn't make you or the op superior because you consume other media.
Left wing rags generally use more challenging language. If you want people to explore both sides this is the way to do it. Not shouting that they're gammons.